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    I would like to direct this to the forum's French members mainly, who they think will be the best option for France? With the general elections coming soon, Socialist candidate Hollande seems to be commanding a lead in most polls. I've read that Hollande wants to renegotiate or scrap the austerity measures already agreed upon. What does this mean for Greece, and for the rest of EU?

    I'm curious to ask the French members, what the French Left believes is the cause of much of the current financial crisis. Do they understand that massive entitlement programs and social services can no longer be sustained, or is it the same leftist mantra that the banks are the problem and more taxes on the rich are needed? What exactly does the French Socialists have as a vision for France/EU? Thanks for any input.

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    the socialists as usual don't have any vision for France except keeping an oversized bureaucracy (their main voter base) in power

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    Well we saw the magnificient "vision" of Sarkozy during 5 years.
    That's enough for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mas-36 View Post
    I would like to direct this to the forum's French members mainly, who they think will be the best option for France?
    None of them
    Quote Originally Posted by mas-36 View Post
    With the general elections coming soon, Socialist candidate Hollande seems to be commanding a lead in most polls. I've read that Hollande wants to renegotiate or scrap the austerity measures already agreed upon. What does this mean for Greece, and for the rest of EU?
    Hollande will probably implement "light" austerity policies, I don't know what he can change in Greece (Merkel, the IMF and the banks are in charge there)

    Quote Originally Posted by mas-36 View Post
    I'm curious to ask the French members, what the French Left believes is the cause of much of the current financial crisis. Do they understand that massive entitlement programs and social services can no longer be sustained,
    Massive entitlement programs can be sustained with some reforms and a better efficiency. The current crisis does not in any way come from the social security system.
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    or is it the same leftist mantra that the banks are the problem
    The banks are just one of many problems but a huge one, and things are likely to get worse in the coming months.
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    and more taxes on the rich are needed?
    Yes, more taxes on the rich are needed, Sarkozy's tax cuts were stupid and badly timed at best.
    Quote Originally Posted by mas-36 View Post
    What exactly does the French Socialists have as a vision for France/EU? Thanks for any input.
    The French Socialists have no vision for France, no vision for the EU but are in favor of the eurobonds (which are in my opinion an utterly dumb idea)

    My two cents

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mat_fr View Post
    Well we saw the magnificient "vision" of Sarkozy during 5 years.
    That's enough for me.
    I agree with you, I think he's done anyways, and trying to get extreme right wing votes will not save him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mat_fr View Post
    Well we saw the magnificient "vision" of Sarkozy during 5 years.
    That's enough for me.
    +100

    Anyway they are left and right all the same nomenklatura. They have all lost credibility. And whoever gets elected will be anyway bound by the economical situation. So all promises of the campaign are only that. We have a motto in France "les promesses n'engagent que ceux qui les croient"
    If electors are dumb enough to swallow one side or another's promises that's their problem. But i don't see things changing too much (and when you discuss with top level people and not the average street, you understand that pretty quickly)

    To be frank we don't have anymore political elite (but given the reading here, that's quite the same thing everywhere else around the world). They are all bureaucrats, technocrats and selfish careerists. None has a true vision of the Nation with big N. So whover gets elected ......mehhhh

    The only area where things may change is in the military and diplomatic area (but that's not something that will influence the vote of french people)
    If the left is elected there will be less external interventions i think (and removal of our troops quicker from Astan). And the Atlantist turn of N.S will be reduced or at least smoothed.
    Concerning our armed forces given that both Left and Right killed their budget for the past 30 years .....there will be nothing more or better

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    Sarkozy is a compulsive liar and think of the french people as a bunch of idiots good to manipulate to keep his party and his friends in power.

    The left runs in circles and has nothing constructive to offer. They'd even do more damage than Sarkozy.

    Marine LePen would sign the fall of France.

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    In this election, I don't feel like I know who to give my vote to... All candidates dissappoint me. Every single one of them.

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    Sarkozy has shown us his true colors during the last 5 years with his son at the EPAD, the Identity debates, the Karachi case, the Woerth Bettencourt case, his decision on the Fiscal Pack... I could go along forever... Trying to catch Marine Le Pen's votes won't work this time. People know who he is now.

    Hollande is the kind of guy who promises pretty much nothing and has become incredibely annoying with his Mitterrandist stance/voice/style, his message his empty and I don't see anyone worth voting for in May.

    In a nutshell, **** them all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mat_fr View Post
    Well we saw the magnificient "vision" of Sarkozy during 5 years.
    That's enough for me.
    -100000000
    Try, just one sec, to think about the magnificent 5 years of Bécassine du Poitou would have been.

    Now, I think with his superpowers, Hollande will succeed to make the majority of french people miss Sarko in less than 2 years, and I'm ready to take the bet with every french dudes on this forum.
    The socialist's economic program is just dangerous for France. The situation in France has some similarities with 1981 (when Mitterand got elected, after a central-right wing government failed to respond to an economic crisis), except that now, we can't use the devaluation anymore, and the "virage de la rigueur" of 83 will be soft compared of what the PS will have to do, after the total economic cluster **** they'll provoke if they implement their economic program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mordoror View Post
    Anyway they are left and right all the same nomenklatura. They have all lost credibility. And whoever gets elected will be anyway bound by the economical situation. So all promises of the campaign are only that. We have a motto in France "les promesses n'engagent que ceux qui les croient"
    If electors are dumb enough to swallow one side or another's promises that's their problem. But i don't see things changing too much (and when you discuss with top level people and not the average street, you understand that pretty quickly)

    To be frank we don't have anymore political elite (but given the reading here, that's quite the same thing everywhere else around the world). They are all bureaucrats, technocrats and selfish careerists. None has a true vision of the Nation with big N. So whover gets elected ......mehhhh
    +1, agree completely

    Quote Originally Posted by GeoK View Post
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    Try, just one sec, to think about the magnificent 5 years of Bécassine du Poitou would have been.
    +1000 couldn't agree more.

    That said, I am not rich enough to be a socialist...

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    From an outsiders point of view, Sarkozy seems the lesser of two evils. In times like this a Socialist government would deliver a death blow to France especially if Hollande should chose to stick to his unrealizeable promises.
    And from a German's point of view I favour Sarkozy. I'm delighted at the good relations of France and Germany under the current governments and I know for certain that a lot of Germans feel the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muck View Post
    From an outsiders point of view, Sarkozy seems the lesser of two evils. In times like this a Socialist government would deliver a death blow to France especially if Hollande should chose to stick to his unrealizeable promises.
    And from a German's point of view I favour Sarkozy. I'm delighted at the good relations of France and Germany under the current governments and I know for certain that a lot of Germans feel the same.
    absolutely right

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeoK View Post
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    Try, just one sec, to think about the magnificent 5 years of Bécassine du Poitou would have been.
    Well i hated her also, but we'll never know what she could have done. To answer Mas 36 question i'll vote for François Hollande without enthusiasm, because i've had enough of Sarkozy and all the other options (Lepen, Bayrou, Eva Joly, Melenchon etc) suck even more. Too bad DSK is a *** maniac, he might have done a good job with the economy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chimera View Post
    Sarkozy has shown us his true colors during the last 5 years with his son at the EPAD, the Identity debates, the Karachi case, the Woerth Bettencourt case, his decision on the Fiscal Pack... I could go along forever...
    I see that after 5 years of rabid anti-sarkozism the arguments against him are appalling, the facts don't count anymore, you just have to drop some meaningless sentences and the case is close.
    EPAD: a non-paid job, and it's not his father who push him to go in for.
    Identity debate: hijacked by the con******* cowards from the left.
    the Karachy case: find one concrete evidence that links Sarkozy to the bombing, just one.
    Woerth Bettencourt : the inquiry is still in progress, but I guess that the presumption of innocence is a principle that's just good for socialist rapist, right ?
    the fiscal pack : I'm sure that you are the kind of guy that the sarko's economic politics have hit the hardest, you're a 99%, almost a proletarian. But I guess you don't need to work extra hours for the money that comes with the infamous sarko's fiscal pack.
    I could go along forever too ...

    Congrats to the leftist french MSM, you have succeeded, one doesn't need anymore to use his brain to be anti-sarko. And because there are a lot of retards who bought this, Holland has the best chance to be elected, and I deeply regret it, for my country and the million of jobless people that his economic policy will add to an already too high number.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mordoror View Post
    +100

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    To be frank we don't have anymore political elite (but given the reading here, that's quite the same thing everywhere else around the world). They are all bureaucrats, technocrats and selfish careerists. None has a true vision of the Nation with big N. So whover gets elected ......mehhhh

    The only area where things may change is in the military and diplomatic area (but that's not something that will influence the vote of french people)
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    Well that's not just in politics. But to be honest, I welcome the dissapearance of ideologues in the political sphere. They have done enough damage in the world and in France from hateful regimes to implementing or de-implementing regulations that destroy the economical environment.

    I wish we had someone whose main interest was the fate of the country and who would take the time to make smart decisions rather than to spit his or hers vision of the economy...a vision that anyways is the product of Sciences Po and ENA and quite distant from the real world. As you say, there are the same nomenklatura and few of them had led the life of a middle class guy in a middle class neighborhood.

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