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    On the murderous road to "racial purity" Hitler encountered unexpected detours, largely due to his own crazed views and inconsistent policies regarding Jewish identity. After centuries of Jewish assimilation and intermarriage in German society, he discovered that eliminating Jews from the rest of the population was more difficult than he'd anticipated. As Bryan Mark Rigg shows in this provocative new study, nowhere was that heinous process more fraught with contradiction and confusion than in the German military. Contrary to conventional views, Rigg reveals that a startlingly large number of German military men were classified by the Nazis as Jews or "partial-Jews" (Mischlinge), in the wake of racial laws first enacted in the mid-1930s. Rigg demonstrates that the actual number was much higher than previously thought--perhaps as many as 150,000 men, including decorated veterans and high-ranking officers, even generals and admirals.
    As Rigg fully documents for the first time, a great many of these men did not even consider themselves Jewish and had embraced the military as a way of life and as devoted patriots eager to serve a revived German nation. In turn, they had been embraced by the Wehrmacht, which prior to Hitler had given little thought to the "race" of these men but which was now forced to look deeply into the ancestry of its soldiers.
    The process of investigation and removal, however, was marred by a highly inconsistent application of Nazi law. Numerous "exemptions" were made in order to allow a soldier to stay within the ranks or to spare a soldier's parent, spouse, or other relative from incarceration or far worse. (Hitler's own signature can be found on many of these "exemption" orders.) But as the war dragged on, Nazi politics came to trump military logic, even in the face of the Wehrmacht's growing manpower needs, closing legal loopholes and making it virtually impossible for these soldiers to escape the fate of millions of other victims of the Third Reich.
    Based on a deep and wide-ranging research in archival and secondary sources, as well as extensive interviews with more than four hundred Mischlinge and their relatives, Rigg's study breaks truly new ground in a crowded field and shows from yet another angle the extremely flawed, dishonest, demeaning, and tragic essence of Hitler's rule.
    Military service book of "half-Jew" Hermann Aub
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    [CENTER]Soldiers taking the oath of allegiance to Hitler[/CENTER]
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    "Half-Jew" Horst Geitner was awarded both the Iron Cross Second Class and the Silver Wound Badge.

    This photo of "half-Jew" Werner Goldberg, who was blond and blue-eyed, was used by a Nazi propaganda newspaper for its title page. Its caption: "The Ideal German Soldier."

    "Half-Jew" Commander Paul Ascher, Admiral Lütjens's first staff officer on the battleship Bismarck; Ascher received Hitler's Deutschblütigkeitserklärung. (Military awards: EKI, EKII, and War Service Cross Second Class.)

    "Quarter-Jew" Admiral Bernhard Rogge wearing the Ritterkreuz; he received Hitler's Deutschblütigkeitserklärung. (Military awards: oak leaves to Ritterkreuz, Ritterkreuz, samurai sword from the emperor of Japan, EKI, and EKII.)

    "Half-Jew" Johannes Zukertort (last rank general) received Hitler's Deutschblütigkeitserklärung.

    "Half-Jew" Colonel Walter H. Hollaender, decorated with the Ritterkreuz and German-Cross in Gold; he received Hitler's Deutschblütigkeitserklärung. (Military awards: Ritterkreuz, German-Cross in Gold, EKI, EKII, and Close Combat Badge.)
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    [CENTER]"Half-Jew" and later Luftwaffe General Helmut Wilberg; Hitler declared him Aryan in 1935. (Military awards: Hohenzollern's Knight's Cross with Swords, EKI, EKII.)[/CENTER]
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    [CENTER]"Half-Jew" and field-marshal Erhard Milch (left) with General Wolfram von Richthofen. Hitler declared Milch Aryan. He was awarded the Ritterkreuz for his performance during the campaign in Norway in 1940.[/CENTER]
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    [CENTER]General Gotthard Heinrici, who was married to a "half-Jew," meeting Hitler in 1937.


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    Quite a remarkable story that I came across the other day. Especially the story about Werner Goldberg I found quite ironic. His portrait picture was used for propaganda purposes as being 'the ideal German soldier' while in fact he was halve-Jewish. In 1940 he was expelled from the Wehrmacht. His father was brought to a hospital that was raided by the SS and brought to ''hospital'' to be deported to Auschwitz. Goldberg managed to help his father escape on Christmas eve, but was later summoned again for deportation. This time Goldberg told his father not to show up and would become his only family member to survive the war.

    Does anyone know what the faith was of the so-called 'Mischlinge' in general? Did these halve-Jews fight alongside Nazi evil for the sake of their family's safety?


    http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/righit.html

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    "Quarter Jew" means that one of your grandparents was jewish, which probably didn't mean much to the person.

    Erhard Milch never knew his jewish father and he was certainly one of the top decisionmakers, if not THE top decisionmaker of the Luftwaffe, at least from 1942.
    He was sentenced for war crimes after the war because of human experiments conducted under his responsibility.
    Ironically in the biography of Milch written by well know holocaust denier David Irving, there are only very veiled references to the identity of his father.
    You can guess what Irving is hinting at, but it is almost as if he does not want to say it clearly.
    Since Milch co-wrote the book, one can assume that this was Milch's own attitude to the matter.

    The only other of those in your post I know is Admiral Rogge, who was the captain of the famous merchant raider "Atlantis" and carried on his naval career with the west german Bundesmarine.
    While Hellmut Schmidt got all the glory for saving many people during the 1962 Hamburg flood, it was Rogge who actually coordinated the military relief effort.
    Ironically his memory fell victim to the 1990s purge of overt Wehrmacht traditions and I discovered his portrait and a model of Atlantis in the basement of our barracks when we were moving. Our barracks was still named "Atlantis" after his raider.

    Most of those were allready serving soldiers or high ranking people (Milch was CEO of Lufthansa) before 1933.
    Göring had a very relaxed attitude towards racial ideology and was quoted with saying "Wer hier Jude ist, bestimme ich!" (I decide who's a jew!) and often intervened on behalf of soldiers with jewish ancestry who were denied promotion or awards due to not being aryan enough.
    So many of those cases are Luftwaffe soldiers.
    He promoted and decorated Fw. Horst Rippert, a late war ace who maybe shot down Saint-Exupery and who was half jewish.

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    I'd guess that the large majority of them while Jewish by blood (according to German law at the time) were not by practice or observance. Another % would again be Jewish by German law, but not by Halacha (Jewish law) which specifically states a Jew is someone converted according to Jewish law or born of Jewish mother. Milch doesn't count in our book if it's only his dad.

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    I seem to recall this subject already being posted in the past on MP.net?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Connaught Ranger View Post
    I seem to recall this subject already being posted in the past on MP.net?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Connaught Ranger View Post
    I seem to recall this subject already being posted in the past on MP.net?

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    Very interesting. So did these men join the ranks out of fear or true loyalty to Hitler?

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.Noah ה View Post
    Very interesting. So did these men join the ranks out of fear or true loyalty to Hitler?
    Most of the German Jews did not view themselves as Jews, but as distinct Germans who happen to have another believe or even became Christians (some of my ancestry was Jewish and baptized around 1875). So it was a normal thing for them: When Germany was at war they joined.

    Did they knew that Jews were opressed and murdered before? Sure they knew, but when you have a German identity, you try not to be seen as a Jew hoping that it won't be an issue.

    An example (not comparable on scale, but to understand the issue): When African Jews are on the bottom of Israeli society and one of them is fortunate to make it to the top class, most of the time this guy will not press for action against African discrimination but tries to melt the best he can into Israeli mainstream society. It is quite human.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dexx View Post
    Most of the German Jews did not view themselves as Jews, but as distinct Germans who happen to have another believe or even became Christians (some of my ancestry was Jewish and baptized around 1875). So it was a normal thing for them: When Germany was at war they joined.

    Did they knew that Jews were opressed and murdered before? Sure they knew, but when you have a German identity, you try not to be seen as a Jew hoping that it won't be an issue.

    An example (not comparable on scale, but to understand the issue): When African Jews are on the bottom of Israeli society and one of them is fortunate to make it to the top class, most of the time this guy will not press for action against African discrimination but tries to melt the best he can into Israeli mainstream society. It is quite human.
    Makes sense. Thanks for the info! I fight it quit hypocritical that Hitler's ideal Aryan was a Goldberg.

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