FSL and KP are doing their job. Full stop.
It should have been up to italian authorities to avoid all the ****storm from the beginning. It seems to me that our politicians were more interested in getting insurances that the commercial relationships were safe with Mr Krishna but in truth they did not move a finger for our marines.
Let's get real : the italian newspapers just copy and translate what they find on indian sources. There is no weight to the written declarations of the 2 soldiers. Only the Navy is quietly supporting them.
I am convinced they are innocent, but let's discuss a theoretical scenario. someone could explain to me on which basis KP decided to arrest the 2 soldiers and the media call them "the shooters"? They are the team leader and his vice, of a team of 6. It is normal they took responsability, but that doesn't prove anything, it should be up to the investigators prove it was them and not any of the other soldiers or crew members to shoot. it's only their word assuming the responsability of a different incident. No one confessed the crime and there is no evidence they are the real shooters.
IMO, the italian government should grow a pair, and give a strong signal to indian authorities through all the diplomatic channels. We allowed what happened and we are leaving our boys in their hands. I don't blame the indians.
Do you think KP just tossed up a coin in thin air to decide their fate?? Indians don't take such a bold act unless they know for sure they got something solid.....don't ask me what solid? From seeing Italian response, I started to believe that Italy do not hold any leverage over India in this case!Originally Posted by sgtfcm
Jawan, I have to ask you: solid how? When they moved them to the compound they did not even have the weapons. How can you charge someone of murder if there are no witness identifying the shooters, fingerprints, etc? It's all on their words of honor, which was twisted, since they always declared they had nothing to do with that incident
sgtfcm,
From what i understood, no one convicted them for murder! Every "suspects" are innocent until proven guilty by court of law. For that, it takes time and patience from both sides. Like coin, there are two sides to every story. I respect all men and women in uniform (soldiers are treated very fairly so far in India), now its time for Italian side to show some respect and faith in Indian court....like it or not!
JAwAn!, yes I agree with you. But please remember also that it's almost 1 month that India is holding an italian merchant ship, the captain, the whole crew (18 people) and other 4 italian military without any charge. Not counting the 2 marines who voluntarily surrendered to KP. There is a growing feeling in your newspapers, blogs, forums against italians and many things have been written also against catholic religion. Obviously this has nothing to do with the specific fact, the murder of 2 fishermen.
Italian specialists who checked the fishing boat and took pictures reported that the holes and ballistics were not compatible with shootings from 40 meters (from an oiler deck) nor the caliber. I posted the pics before. No holes on the roof as well. No one commented that.
The situation is unacceptable, but I blame our government, not yours. They should have recalled the consular staff and took strong measures already. I can only imagine if the 2 were US Marines...
I myself a Christian once lived in southern part of India for many years had witnessed hard line politicians throwing religiously tainted balls at each other for their own political gains...lets don't take that to your heart. Our Investigation and Court has so far stayed out of all these mess. If religion has any role to play in this, Italians could count on 'Kerala' as an only place favorable in India . About that shooting holes, no comments on whats been reported in medias. What if the 2 were US Marines? Good Question!
For good measure, I've been reading the same stupid **** also on italian forums, but on a lower level. Many italians read now the Times of India where the readers comments are really full of hate. This is sad and it serves nothing but destroying the good relationship amongst the 2 countries. After today news, people starts redirecting their anger against India rather than our weak politicians. Very wrong,IMO.
Those readers who comments on Times of India are the ones who think all south Indians are "Madrasi" and all who wear "Lungis" are fishermen!
Peace to our nations!
Very wrong but not totally wrong, our politicians are the weak and worse and so on part of our country but let's say the truth, India is gaining our hate by the way is managing this case.
I feel that for India is just a good opportunity to take a small revenge on a western country, to show that 'now' they are strong...the fact is they chosed the countries with the weakest politician class.
whatever we say, it does not change the fact that they are still there and the politicians did not take any strong measure to solve the matter. And we all know the epilogue, which is far worse than the comedy: the are asking for money, big money. They will find a way to compensate them and bring the 2 soldiers home, without serving justice or clear their names.
Bringing them home is important, but not without showing that they are innocents and clearing their positions. It has to be an honourable come back, not an escape route. If mistakes have been made and there are responsabilities of any side, that should be ascertained too. But I tend to be naive when it comes to justice.
It is not a religious thing. Not that it matters, but I assume you are aware that the two dead fishermen were Christians.
The same thing would have happened if they were US Marines.The situation is unacceptable, but I blame our government, not yours. They should have recalled the consular staff and took strong measures already. I can only imagine if the 2 were US Marines...
This post actually summarises the feelings of many people and it is so ridiculous. There might be a "hate India" thing over there, but there is no "hate Italy" thing over here. It is even clear in this thread. This when the most powerful person in India is of Italian origin. Yes that is how much we hate Italy
As I have said before Indian law will take its own course, so be patient.
And to everyone : All this hate will not be beneficial to anybody.
as per reports, the Voyage Data Recorder was erased by the Captain of the ship. any idea why it was done? when is it normally switched off? can anyone shed some light on this?
there is also indications that the captain also may be arrested as he is the one in charge and all orders has to come from him?
It is not a religious thing. Not that it matters, but I assume you are aware that the two dead fishermen were Christians.
This post actually summarises the feelings of many people and it is so ridiculous. There might be a "hate India" thing over there, but there is no "hate Italy" thing over here. It is even clear in this thread. This when the most powerful person in India is of Italian origin. Yes that is how much we hate Italy
HUlaku,
it seems you are not reading the comments on Times of India or any other indian newspaper. or the defense forum where they often quote our posts as well. THERE IS an anti Italy front over there.Maybe not here but I am not against India as well).
It works that way. It saves the data for 12 hours if I don't remember wrong and then automatically rewrites it. In doubtful cases or incidents the captain should switch it off in order to avoid the rewriting. Why he didn't do that is unknown to me.
Kids and idiots read the Times of India (we refer to it as TOIlet) so dont get carried away by what is written there. It is a paper which regularly quotes articles from Debka and Daily Mail. It is only useful for local news.
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