[QUOTE=Drax;6042915]Estonia has been using Euro for over a year now and looks like it wasn't a crafty teutonic trap after all./QUOTE]
Well, how much was you average wage again? Some 800 EUR with German price levels? That doesn´t sound like milk and honey to me...
1000 EUR ( I bet there are a million or two who dont get a 1000 per month, gastarbeiters for example) in one of the most expensive cities in the world is very far from milk and honey too. Besides, Most Federation Russians can only dream about 1000 EUR a month. Take a trip beyond MKAD and see it yourself how "rich" Russia is.Originally Posted by The Kaiser Chief
What do you want an unlearned street-cleaner to earn? 5000 EUR? Doesn´t happen even in Europe. Apropos "expensive", my impression was that in a Tallinn supermarket I get less for my buck. In fact the average is closing on 1000 EUR per month with wide spreads. So in some regions you have an average of 4000-5000 EUR which is the average you get in the cities in the West as well. If you still want to feel rich coming from the Baltics you must travel to Dagestan or some desolate places in the wilderness of the Urals or Sibiria, maybe the Republic of Mari El.
That's not official, and just a satirical (and a bit digruntled) form of asking to behave.Anyway, to language question....
In Latvia, can one find a similar signs like the ones in Russia...??
Haha, nice explanation. Not more than two years ago, an Estonian cafe put a similar sign up, because none of the staff could speak Russian. It resulted in a mediash1tstorm from Russia, there was even a thread here in MP.net about it. Estonians were summarily delcared facsists etc. But OK, this is completely different, just satirical, no need to call anyone fascist...
French is the official language not just in Quebec but entire Canada, reflecting the historical realities. It's a bilingual country period, with Frencophones living in almost every province. Political speeches are in two languages, product labeling is done in two languages and etc. You absolutely need French in Quebec, and it's nice to have in other provinces, but it's still official everywhere.
Do you operate any numbers? I guess NO and I even know answer why...
You don‘t even need to have statistics to compare live standards in Russia and Baltics. Make a little experiment, cross Lithuanian border with Kaliningrad and you will find dirty, ruined hole (called Kaliningradskaja oblast) compared to Lithuania. One must be blind not to notice contrast.
Aren´t the Cafe´s in the old city in the hands of Napolitanians? Last time I was there, the guys running the place Italians from Napoli with whom I had a good converstion. They explaned how they "exploited" their waitresses the Italian way...and yes, none of them spoke Russian.
The dirty place is called a city, something Lithuania lacks completely...
BTW, there was a study i read somewhere, who's results were.....did you know this...
.....Russian language policy is more severe than in Estonia....
Not sure about Latvia though...
Here is the list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ersonal_incomeDo you operate any numbers? I guess NO and I even know answer why...
Russia 19th worldwide and the next Baltic country is Lithuania winning a respectable 24th place...with a difference of 1500USD. BTW these are old numbers, so the gap has widened since then.
Yes you are right! I once saw young guys with swastika signs on their jackets drinking beer in front of the Estonian independence monument in Tallinn, and the Police did nothing
And where and how exactly do you see that? I mean I have official statistics that say otherwise, but judging on your "I know it all" tone I am sure you have other sources.
Again, emigration levels for all three Baltic states have been fairly stable since 2004, so can you enlighten us on the sources of your wisdom again?In fact the younger generation moves away, either to the west or back to Russia proper, where wages and living standards have certainly risen over the Baltic levels. If you have a good education you go to Moscow or Pieter, not to Tallinn, Vilnius or Riga. What will stay behind in a decade or two will be the uneducated, poor and elder.
"Crisis holds in it's firm grip"? You do know why crisis is called a crisis, right? Because it is temporary, followed by a rise, then another crisis etc. Latvia is a bit exceptional of the three, having to accept aid from IMF, but stands now as an example of how with strict measures you can turn things on the rise again. Otherwise economic growth is back to above EU average.What you said applied for the 90s or some period until 2006 or so, but at least since the crisis holds the Baltics in its firm grip from 2008 on there´s no more any economic reason for Russians to stay there.
That said I am sure there "no economic reason to stay". I don't think there is much economic reason to leave too, at least not eastwards. For an individual person this might change in a day of course - losing your local job, getting a good offer from Moscow and a social life that you can leave behind easily... I am sure there are people who wouldn't hesitate for a second.
You are saying this as if they wouldn't have kids going to school, relatives and property in BalticsIt only takes some time till more and more people realize that. One musn´t forget that people have children going to school, have their relatives and maybe property over there.
That's great.But in Moscow nobody gets up for less than 1000 EUR a month, and this is just for the low level jobs, as the average wage in some regions (Moscow, Pieter, Tyumen) closes in on European levels way beyond the Baltics...
For me it does not matter how you call your ruins they still are unpleasant place to live. That’s why your compatriots are holding with teeths and claws to our countries.The dirty place is called a city, something Lithuania lacks completely...
There is special kind of love for mother Russia, love on solid range. It seems that more than half Russian speaking member of this forum prefer to love their mother land on very solid range…
Such development would make Baltic Russians want to emigrate to Russia, instead of their usual targets (Ireland, UK, Germany, Norway, Netherlands), but for unclear reasons that has yet to happen in worth mentioning numbers.
As mentioned earlier in this thread, so far the Russia's campaign for attracting Baltic Russians has been huge failure and in fact ridiculed by Baltic Russian community. Its no secret that they would prefer to settle in Moscow or St.Petersburg, but so far the offer restrict them to Kaliningrad, Tambov, Voronezh and other provincial towns.
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