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    Quote Originally Posted by Leaper View Post
    Wait a minute...the U.S lives on borrowed moneys, my country is one of few who have kept making more money despite the crisis. I spy American pride getting in the way of a smarter system.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzjxZqbqaR0
    Ought Six wants a system that takes up 16% of GDP, but is unbalanced: if you're unemployed, too bad for you.

    Whereas our system that takes 9% and offers universal care, whether you're homeless or a CEO, is a bad, bad commie system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fisker View Post
    Ought Six wants a system that takes up 16% of GDP, but is unbalanced: if you're unemployed, too bad for you.

    Whereas our system that takes 9% and offers universal care, whether you're homeless or a CEO, is a bad, bad commie system.
    When you start out with "Ought Six wants", then try to put words in my mouth I never said, you are merely a liar. I never in any way, shape or form said that the present American system was 'what I want'. Stop lying about my views, *******.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Royal View Post
    Jeez, you really are on dope aren't you?
    Great argument, genius.
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    Do turkeys vote for Christmas? Do you really think the doctors want their cosy sinecure (pay more than doubled by the last Labour government) affected.
    Ahh, so how the system is reformed will be controlled by what the doctors want, not by what the politicians vote into law. Is that how it works in Britain?
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    They're kicking out at attempts to sort out the beaurocratic mess that the NHS certainly is. Streamlining management and getting economies of scale from procurement (rather than letting every hospital make its own contracts) is not privitisation.
    So everyone talking about privatization in the UK, in your media and in your government is either stupid, lying, or both. I thought that the reforms take power and money away from the NHS central authority, and transfered control of it to individual GPs and other doctors. Is that not true? Are all of these doctors government employees?
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    It amazes me much do you must hate the UK for you, an avowed conservative, to spout a load of left wing propaganda
    Another one who wishes to insert their lies in my mouth as 'my views'.

    I am not a conservative, and have never at any point claimed to be one, so your claim on that is a load of crap. I am, as I have repeatedly stated, a libertarian, just for the record. As for 'hating the UK', you are again mere spouting sh1t and making stuff up. Will you next say 'why do you hate freedom?'

    Stick to what I actually say, and leave the fabulism to fiction authors that actually have some small amount of talent at it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Violet Fashion by Mindy View Post
    It's a little more complicated then that.

    I'd say Australia's system is a government subsidized private health system where service delivery is provided by a mix of government health providers and private practitioners.

    The government will subsidise the cost of medicines depending on income level. The government will pay a service provider a fixed amount for each service offered. It is then up to the private practitioner/service provider to set fees. Many providers will simply set their fees to what the government offers.

    Health insurance enables people to get certain treatments done at a private hospital and avoid waiting times for specialist care.

    There is nothing American about it.
    Min, spend some time out of Australia for once.

    The Australian healthcare system is the MOST American system I have ever encountered outside of the US.

    It is not EQUAL to the US system, but it has many many similarities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ought Six View Post
    I am not a conservative



    You're one of the most ultra-right wing conservatives on MP.net, along with C.Puffs, LineDoggie and chauncy republicans...

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    "Interest on debt" 10 billion CAD$

    Well, as the economic idiot I am, would it be possible to get an agreement to remove interest from loans/debt? At least until the economy stabilize?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TallGuy View Post



    You're one of the most ultra-right wing conservatives on MP.net, along with C.Puffs, LineDoggie and chauncy republicans...
    Really? I am for full drug legalization and against the war on drugs. I am for gay marriage. I am staunchly pro-separation of church and state. I am firmly pro-choice and against the government being in our bedroom in any way. I am pro-privacy and against the USA PATRIOT Act, and other government spying. A conservative? You are so full of sh1t that you must wear a Huggies on your face to catch what comes out of your mouth. Maybe you should get a dictionary and look up 'libertarian' so you do not embarrass yourself in public like this again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveDash View Post
    Min, spend some time out of Australia for once.

    The Australian healthcare system is the MOST American system I have ever encountered outside of the US.

    It is not EQUAL to the US system, but it has many many similarities.
    Yep, it uses almost entirely private providers. It is a lot like Medicare.

    But do not bother. She does not have a clue, nor does she want one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ought Six View Post
    Really?
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    David Cameron accused of destroying NHS with privatisation plans

    DOCTORS last night accused David Cameron of plotting to smash up the NHS as he sets out plans to rush through privatisation of the historic public service.
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    You are seriously completely unaware of this? Do you live in a cave somewhere? Or maybe it is just what you are smoking that is the problem.
    Considering its the Mirror and that they love a good Tory bashing on a daily basis I would take that article with a pinch of salt. I've not heard of any serious plans to privatise the NHS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monty1985 View Post
    Considering its the Mirror and that they love a good Tory bashing on a daily basis I would take that article with a pinch of salt. I've not heard of any serious plans to privatise the NHS.
    Have you heard that the system is going broke, and that reforms are vitally necessary to try and save it? What Cameron is trying to do is barely fiddling around the edges, yet Labour is having a fecal hemorrhage over these minor reforms that will not even begin to solve the problems. The system is on the brink right now. What do you think will happen as the number of elderly patients the system must contend with skyrockets? This, while medical costs continue to go through the roof?

    Whether Cameron is attempting to privatize, and to what level is a non-issue. It is arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. The real issue is that the system is unsustainable and already becoming insolvent, even with reforms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ought Six View Post
    When you start out with "Ought Six wants", then try to put words in my mouth I never said, you are merely a liar. I never in any way, shape or form said that the present American system was 'what I want'. Stop lying about my views, *******.
    Ok then, you spend much of your time here telling people how any other types of health care other than the US version are failing. I have yet to see you offer a third option. So excuse me for assuming that the US version is what you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fisker View Post
    Ok then, you spend much of your time here telling people how any other types of health care other than the US version are failing. I have yet to see you offer a third option. So excuse me for assuming that the US version is what you want.
    It is obvious that you have not been reading the thread. I proposed a number of alternatives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ought Six View Post
    Really? I am for full drug legalization and against the war on drugs. I am for gay marriage. I am staunchly pro-separation of church and state. I am firmly pro-choice and against the government being in our bedroom in any way. I am pro-privacy and against the USA PATRIOT Act, and other government spying. A conservative? You are so full of sh1t that you must wear a Huggies on your face to catch what comes out of your mouth. Maybe you should get a dictionary and look up 'libertarian' so you do not embarrass yourself in public like this again.
    You're a fiscal conservative.

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    The US healthcare system is not without it's flaws. But some ppeople tend to overlook that it does have its pros as well.

    It has some of the fastest treatment times for ER throughout and absolutely the top notch system in the world of you can afford the treatment.

    Canada has a brain drain of doctors to the US for this reason.

    In the mean time, I got hit by a car in Australia through NO fault of my own, and had to pay $1500 ambulence fees because I wasn't insured for ambulence cover. How does that compare?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ought Six View Post
    ----------Ahh, so how the system is reformed will be controlled by what the doctors want, not by what the politicians vote into law. Is that how it works in Britain?
    Actually to a degree, yes. The Royal Colleges hold a lot of power and ensure doctors get a cushy deal. For example they limit the number of medical school places a year to ensure there are no unemployed doctors and keep wages high. To date, no government has really dared take them on. It's exactly the same situation with barristers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ought Six View Post
    ----------So everyone talking about privatization in the UK, in your media and in your government is either stupid, lying, or both. I thought that the reforms take power and money away from the NHS central authority, and transfered control of it to individual GPs and other doctors. Is that not true? Are all of these doctors government employees?
    The overwhelming majority are NHS doctors, so yes they are government employees.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ought Six View Post
    Whether Cameron is attempting to privatize, and to what level is a non-issue. It is arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. The real issue is that the system is unsustainable and already becoming insolvent, even with reforms.
    You've backtracked from "The Brits are desperately trying to privatise"
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