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    Capping doctor's pay to reasonable 200-250/year instead of current half a mil will go a long way towards preserving free healthcare. No way a family physician deserves to pocket half a million dollars a year, it just perpetuates an unsustainable system where 9 out of 10 doctors are in it for the money. System also has a lot of fat that could be trimmed, such as hordes of beuracracy apparatchiks.

    Capping welfare same as unemployment (6-12 months) will probably create a budget surplus. In Toronto there are whole ghettos where people haven't worked a day in their lives, some even don't bother to learn English.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sashko View Post
    Capping doctor's pay to reasonable 200-250/year instead of current half a mil will go a long way towards preserving free healthcare. No way a family physician deserves to pocket half a million dollars a year, it just perpetuates an unsustainable system where 9 out of 10 doctors are in it for the money. System also has a lot of fat that could be trimmed, such as hordes of beuracracy apparatchiks.

    Capping welfare same as unemployment (6-12 months) will probably create a budget surplus. In Toronto there are whole ghettos where people haven't worked a day in their lives, some even don't bother to learn English.
    Family GP's? Making half a million? No, only certain specialists make half a million a year.
    http://www.discoveryfinance.com/nati...rs-canada.html

    Doctors in Canada do not make as much as they could in the US. If Doctors were in it for the money, we would see american doctors coming to canada to work, and working in rural areas. Unfortunately, there's a massive shortage of doctors in those areas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sashko View Post
    Capping doctor's pay to reasonable 200-250/year instead of current half a mil will go a long way towards preserving free healthcare. No way a family physician deserves to pocket half a million dollars a year, it just perpetuates an unsustainable system where 9 out of 10 doctors are in it for the money. System also has a lot of fat that could be trimmed, such as hordes of beuracracy apparatchiks.

    Capping welfare same as unemployment (6-12 months) will probably create a budget surplus. In Toronto there are whole ghettos where people haven't worked a day in their lives, some even don't bother to learn English.

    Don't take this a I'm saying "you're wrong". But the part where you mention capping a Canadian Dr's salary at under half a milion seemed off base to me. I'm from the US, and don't know all the economics of Canadian wages. But wow, that sounds ubelievably low.

    A Business Analyst (clerk, technician etc....) in a company that does IT work or someting similar makes $100k-150k after about 10 years....
    That's in a average state like Pa. Those like me most often do not have college degrees. Like me, it was 4yrs of military experience then OJT for the company. (not small business) a larger one.

    Capping an MD or PA (physicians Assistant) at that low a salary after they spent so much time on education, just seem bizzare.

    The family Dr's, and this is just my opinon should earn well above 250k.

    Heck, toll-takers on the turnpike make over a 100k

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    Quote Originally Posted by toad View Post
    Heck, toll-takers on the turnpike make over a 100k
    What the actual ****? That'd be like 18,000 ($28,000) job here. Most doctors make over 100k, once all their training is done. Many are into the 200k+ bands though.

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    The baby boomers aren't helping the situation either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danielc View Post
    There is no support in Canada for a system like the US. When Canada talks about improving it's health care system, it's looking at European models, French, German, Swiss, because those are the best. A mixture of private and public health services, all regulated by the government, and accessible to everyone. Plus, Canada is doing great, real estate market is booming, the banks are solid, the unemployment rate is not bad, the economy is chugging along, we have the best performance of all western nations, so what's there to criticize.
    I really wouldn't put any money on the Canadian real estate market, expect something like what happened in the US within the next 3-6 years. Regarding everything else, there is no doubt room for improvement!

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    Quote Originally Posted by C.Puffs View Post
    No thanks. You can keep your's and go the way of Greece.
    Infant mortality rate:
    Greece 38th (5.16), US 46th (6.26)

    Maternal mortality ratio (per 100,000 live births), 2008
    (Greece > 20, US 20-99)
    [IMG]http://i42.*******.com/2589pfn.png[/IMG]
    Diphtheria-tet****-toxoid and perussis (DTP3) immunization coverage among 1-year-olds:
    Greece--> 99%
    US--> 95%
    Source: WHO

    If you really think that the Greek problem is due to the universal health care, you are either very naive, or dense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sashko View Post
    Capping doctor's pay to reasonable 200-250/year instead of current half a mil will go a long way towards preserving free healthcare. No way a family physician deserves to pocket half a million dollars a year, it just perpetuates an unsustainable system where 9 out of 10 doctors are in it for the money. System also has a lot of fat that could be trimmed, such as hordes of beuracracy apparatchiks.

    Capping welfare same as unemployment (6-12 months) will probably create a budget surplus. In Toronto there are whole ghettos where people haven't worked a day in their lives, some even don't bother to learn English.
    CEO's and Banking ****s make billions and their contribution to the society? Zero. If doctor makes half a mil, I'm cool with dat, cuz they save lives and ****.


    I personally think this is another ANTI-Obama propaganda piece by some conservatives.

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    Yeah our healthcare system is 100x preferred to what the US has, but thanks for the concern Ought Six. It would be political suicide for the Conservative govt to annouce or make any major changes. Canadians would rather make cuts to anything, and I do mean anything over free healthcare.

    It's stupid things like cutting the CPP to buy F-35's which don't really suit our needs that piss us off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meatwad View Post
    Canadians would rather make cuts to anything, and I do mean anything over free healthcare.
    It's attitudes like that that don't give you stealth hoovering supercruising area bombers.

    Shame on you for not wanting humanity to progress forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirtydiaper View Post
    What a analytic, well formulated and to-the-point response, even if I don't agree with you. And you didn't use the word as*hole even once.

    Are you not on the wrong forum?
    Lol! I'm fairly immature, but make an attempt to act like an adult when discussing political differences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gaijinsamurai View Post
    Lol! I'm fairly immature, but make an attempt to act like an adult when discussing political differences.
    SHHH! Quiet!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TallGuy View Post
    You're a fiscal conservative.
    .... and a social liberal on most social issues. But I am against speech codes and political correctness, so I am socially conservative on those issues. But I am against waging war gratuitously on other nations, so I am a military liberal. And I am against what is ridiculously called 'free trade', so I am a trade conservative. Or perhaps, as I said, I am just a libertarian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveDash View Post
    The US healthcare system is not without it's flaws. But some ppeople tend to overlook that it does have its pros as well. It has some of the fastest treatment times for ER throughout and absolutely the top notch system in the world of you can afford the treatment. Canada has a brain drain of doctors to the US for this reason.
    If we can drive a stake through the heart of the abomination called 'Obamacare' so it never rises again, the challenge will be to reform our system in a way that keeps the government out of it, brings competition back into a free healthcare market, lowers costs, enables and supports private charities, and greatly improves accessibility to healthcare for low-income people. I think it is doable. But universal healthcare subsidized by the taxpayer is not.
    Last edited by Ought Six; 02-17-2012 at 10:16 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corrupt View Post
    Actually to a degree, yes. The Royal Colleges hold a lot of power and ensure doctors get a cushy deal. For example they limit the number of medical school places a year to ensure there are no unemployed doctors and keep wages high. To date, no government has really dared take them on. It's exactly the same situation with barristers.
    Wow, that sucks! That kind of corrupt partnership between professional orgs and government really distorts the market. I hope one day your nation can end that.
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    The overwhelming majority are NHS doctors, so yes they are government employees.
    It seems the socialism in the system is even worse than I thought. I knew the hospitals were government-operated with government-employed doctors, but I thought the GPs would be private practitioners.
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    You've backtracked from "The Brits are desperately trying to privatise"
    And I provided material to back it up, which you dismissed out of hand. You are trying to derail a thread about the troubles of the Canadian healthcare system and similar systems, and change the entire thread subject to a single passing comment I made. Good luck with that. However, I will not be participating in that threadjack attempt.

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