Last edited by Ought Six; 02-17-2012 at 10:16 PM.
----------It seems the socialism in the system is even worse than I thought. I knew the hospitals were government-operated with government-employed doctors, but I thought the GPs would be private practitioners.The overwhelming majority are NHS doctors, so yes they are government employees.
----------And I provided material to back it up, which you dismissed out of hand. You are trying to derail a thread about the troubles of the Canadian healthcare system and similar systems, and change the entire thread subject to a single passing comment I made. Good luck with that. However, I will not be participating in that threadjack attempt.You've backtracked from "The Brits are desperately trying to privatise"
----------Since you quit being an asshole, I stopped pointing the fact out. I call them as I see them. Deal with it.OT: Look! I've made 3 posts without calling anybody an asshole/ignorant, whatever... Chill out.
----------Many are going to have to learn this the hard way.However, Ought Six is correct in that our demographics are going to catch up with us if we do not take action soon. Everything else is a load of uninformed crap.
----------It sounds like you have fallen into the trap of believing that with just the right reforms, a government-managed universal healthcare system can be preserved. Another self-deluded one.The solution is to get rid of the "only public" mandate, and allow some private medicine to operate as well. Quebec is already doing this, and I suspect other provinces will follow suit. Stephen Harper has publicly spoken of this, and is trying to bring this discussion into the mainstream regarding Canadian health care.
----------It does not matter what you think, or what I think. The reality is that welfare states cannot be sustained with an aging demographic. It is just that simple. As you said, the rest is crap.We don't need some ideological wanker like Ought Six to tell us how it ought to be. You have your own mess to clean up. We're doing just fine, thanks.
So far as mortality rates, the primary factor in low American mortality rates is in no way, shape or form poor healthcare. Any mother giving birth can go the hospital and they have to admit them. The biggest problem is high rates of drug addiction. Crack and meth babies do not do well. That being said, one of the problems in American healthcare is an inadequate focus on preventive medicine, including prenatal care. That is nowhere near as big a problem as drug addicts having babies, but it is a problem. That is already changing in the private sector. Health insurance providers are finally getting a clue, and realizing that good preventive care is far cheaper than problems during and after birth.
Yeah we sure are crumbling and we are in denial. All because we are for higher taxes so we can cover our old and sick.
Look the reality is that things here are pretty good. The world economy is in a rough spot we are one of the western nations lucky enough to be doing well with a good outlook. Even if things really hit the ****ter in the global marketplace we are again one of the nations lucky enough with our geography and resources to be completely self sufficient with major changes of course. Who else but us can sustain our way of living by ourselves? Russia and Brazil maybe. Our demographic situation remains good.