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    Quote Originally Posted by Wahnsinn View Post
    No, I expect the person making a claim to substanciate it with evidence when requested. Frankly, I think you make up half the "statistics" you spew because I never seem to be able to find a source and believe me, it isn't through lack of trying.
    Quote Originally Posted by junglejim View Post
    No it is actually the responsibility of the person presenting facts as evidence to show the source.
    Are you guys seriously trying to explain things to Mr.Know It All ?

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    Time to concede victory to Abishek Nayak.

    PS: Did TT ever visit India ? This one seems to share the same DNA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abhishek-nayak View Post
    that happened only once since it was the responsibly of the inquirer to search for the source himself on the net.
    I might try this in my next university assignment. I doubt it will work. Mostly if you're making a claim or presenting facts, it's your responsibility to back them up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gaijinsamurai View Post
    Having taught in Japan and South Korea, I can't believe this is even being debated. Of course East Asian kids do better than those in the US. The kids I taught took school seriously, spent most of their time outside of school studying, had a deep respect for teachers and elders, and were ambitious to succeed.

    Of course they're ahead.

    What gaijin said is true.

    I graduated middle school in USSR and when I went to high school in New York. Most of the material covered in 10th-11th grades I already knew. It was just a rehash in English.

    Math in Russia for even for early grades is very tough and challenging, because the Ministry of Education makes it so. In the States there is less emphasis, but you can get very advance courses if you really want to. Key word, really wanted. Anyway, all the advance math **** I've learned I never use in real life.

    Do you think all these rich blood sucking CEOs are good at ****ing math? I don't think so.

    What we need in schools are more sports, real physical activity, because kids should not be sitting on their asses studying math, but playing as well.

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    Have some family living in Hong Kong. Visited, too and have been on various social events there. Stuff like housewarming parties etc. While it was very noticeable that the parents have a tough grip on the kids and that they put alot of their thoughts into pure and simple competition there's also an awkwardness about it. I know, alot to do with cultural differences, but 25 year old guys and girls there seemed a bit socially inept, very formal and in some ways very superficial. 25 year olds having a private party with non of them actually workmates and still it seemed more formal and 'cold' than a company event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toki View Post
    Have some family living in Hong Kong. Visited, too and have been on various social events there. Stuff like housewarming parties etc. While it was very noticeable that the parents have a tough grip on the kids and that they put alot of their thoughts into pure and simple competition there's also an awkwardness about it. I know, alot to do with cultural differences, but 25 year old guys and girls there seemed a bit socially inept, very formal and in some ways very superficial. 25 year olds having a private party with non of them actually workmates and still it seemed more formal and 'cold' than a company event.
    Back when I was 22-23ish my girlfriend at the time was going to a predominately Asian university. It was a new University built to specifically attract Asian students (for $$$). She hated it. I went there a few times for laughs, it was extremely competitive, lacked any sort of vibrancy, and yeah the private parties were just like this. Nametags, punch, etc.

    I wouldn't say that any of the course material was particularly challenging though. I think after first year of tertiary education everything tends of level out. I was one of the top in my class at math (calculus, statistics, algebra, and such) and what did I end up using it for? Nothing really. Oh it was useful when I decided to sit through a bunch of on-line physics lectures as something to do over the Christmas break.

    I think schools need to prepare kids for the work force at lower grades (with education on things such as finance, budgeting, and such), and if they stick around prepare them for tertiary education at the highest grade. Asian/Russian/whatever schools may be better at the lower levels but I think in the end it all comes out in the wash more or less the same. The real difference is what you see in the workforce, and I don't see a particular competitive advantage individually there at all (in fact, as I mentioned, sorely lacking in some areas).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corrupt View Post
    I might try this in my next university assignment. I doubt it will work. Mostly if you're making a claim or presenting facts, it's your responsibility to back them up.
    A student tried this with the faculty board of examination my dad's on, also refusing to show them the bibliography for a particular essay. It ended with an administrative zero and exclusion from the next resit
    Considering Abishek's general behaviour in this thread, I find the its title quite ironic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RSone View Post
    A student tried this with the faculty board of examination my dad's on, also refusing to show them the bibliography for a particular essay. It ended with an administrative zero and exclusion from the next resit
    Considering Abishek's general behaviour in this thread, I find the its title quite ironic.
    Are you sure the student got zeroed? In most cases you at least get a 1 for spelling your own name correctly..:P

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    Quote Originally Posted by brokenclog View Post
    Are you sure the student got zeroed? In most cases you at least get a 1 for spelling your own name correctly..:P
    Well, he put in a document that was clearly copping ideas from someone else, but obviously paraphrased. He didn't provide proper crediting/sourcing, which is fraud. He got called on it and had the gumption to take it to the examination board. If my dad's reaction to the whole shindig is an indication, they're going to take one look at it and spend the rest of the day laughing their asses off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RSone View Post
    Well, he put in a document that was clearly copping ideas from someone else, but obviously paraphrased. He didn't provide proper crediting/sourcing, which is fraud. He got called on it and had the gumption to take it to the examination board. If my dad's reaction to the whole shindig is an indication, they're going to take one look at it and spend the rest of the day laughing their asses off.
    Stupid student..Nothing wrong with using the research of others, as long as you give credit. You'd think everyone knew this...

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    Quote Originally Posted by brokenclog View Post
    Stupid student..Nothing wrong with using the research of others, as long as you give credit. You'd think everyone knew this...
    A member of staff once attempted to suspend me for plagerism. I'd handed in an essay a day or two earlier and she'd lost it then tried to blame me. She gave me until the end of the day to produce the essay (which was on my PC at home, but I couldn't access at school), or I'd be in detention. Being the ballsy type I am, and having things to do after school that didn't involve listening to her lecture me about my narcissism, I printed the Wiki page on the subject (blue links and all) and stuck a school cover paper on it. Next day she took me to the head teacher, called my parents etc and said I should be suspended for plagerism.

    I presented the somewhat bulletproof defence of "Plagerism is attempting to pass someone elses work as your own. I have made no attempt to disguise the fact that what I handed in was blatently not my own work. I just handed you a document with a cover sheet so you'd shut up and let me leave."

    Que her insisting I be suspended, I calling her an unorganised idiot and the school compromising on me dropping the subject and not doing it for A level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corrupt View Post
    A member of staff once attempted to suspend me for plagerism. I'd handed in an essay a day or two earlier and she'd lost it then tried to blame me. She gave me until the end of the day to produce the essay (which was on my PC at home, but I couldn't access at school), or I'd be in detention. Being the ballsy type I am, and having things to do after school that didn't involve listening to her lecture me about my narcissism, I printed the Wiki page on the subject (blue links and all) and stuck a school cover paper on it. Next day she took me to the head teacher, called my parents etc and said I should be suspended for plagerism.

    I presented the somewhat bulletproof defence of "Plagerism is attempting to pass someone elses work as your own. I have made no attempt to disguise the fact that what I handed in was blatently not my own work. I just handed you a document with a cover sheet so you'd shut up and let me leave."

    Que her insisting I be suspended, I calling her an unorganised idiot and the school compromising on me dropping the subject and not doing it for A level.
    Bwuahaha!

    Once got away with paraphrasing "That Commie fellow with the beret"* in high school while writing an essay. In my defence, I only had 90 minutes to write it and was not allowed to leave the room.


    *Che Guevara.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hulaku View Post
    You know how hard is it to dig in hot weather when its 50 degree C, having ridden your 40$ bike over miles of bumpy roads and when only thing you have to look forward to is your two crumbs of bread and a crying wife.
    Nope, because Im a First Worlder! Now desist your complaints before I reduce your rations from two crumbs to one!

    It is easy for you 1 st worlders to make fun of us poorz peoplez, may the engine of 50,000$ car fall down, may your 10,000$ Ermenegildo Zegna suit get ripped, may your big tittied wives silicone implants leak, may...................
    1 - 50k dollar car? Hah!! Do I look like a poor person to you?!?!?

    2 - Actually, yeah I am poor. The 20k suit had an auto repair function...putting endless tailors into squalor

    3 - Hey hey HEY! How dare you say they're silicone! They're all natural due to DNA manipulation! Do we look like Second Worlders to you!??!


    Now that I think about it, aren't you like my company's regional director of oppression in that region? Take away one of abishek's wife's bangles, to make her cry more! He must be taught a lesson! Do this and I shall bump your pay up by $100, along with a reusable get-out-of-jail card

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    Quote Originally Posted by IconOfEvi View Post
    Nope, because Im a First Worlder! Now desist your complaints before I reduce your rations from two crumbs to one!



    1 - 50k dollar car? Hah!! Do I look like a poor person to you?!?!?

    2 - Actually, yeah I am poor. The 20k suit had an auto repair function...putting endless tailors into squalor

    3 - Hey hey HEY! How dare you say they're silicone! They're all natural due to DNA manipulation! Do we look like Second Worlders to you!??!


    Now that I think about it, aren't you like my company's regional director of oppression in that region? Take away one of abishek's wife's bangles, to make her cry more! He must be taught a lesson! Do this and I shall bump your pay up by $100, along with a reusable get-out-of-jail card
    Ahhh the moment I saw your name I knew it was gonna be good

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    There is too much hysteria surrounding the "OMG SUPER ASIAN STUDENTZ!!!!" For one, life is NOT all about becoming a lawyer or a doctor, quality of life is important. Look at Finland. Almost no homework, hardly and grades... yet they do almost as well as Asians. Overloading kids with studies is counterproductive. What takes me to learn 6 months when 9 years old, I can do in 3 weeks when 15 years old. I was 2 years ahead of my British private school Math class... yet by the end of the highschool they caught up.

    There was a panic like this already back in the 50's when it was concluded the Soviet kids were studying hard in school... it turned out to be a crock of sh*t. The Soviet system simply overloads kids with homework without any appreciable difference in the end.

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