His post was not stupid/hypocrite, he just knows history better than you. Iran stroke the reactor first.Originally Posted by Pankrat
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iraq/facility/osiraq.htmOn 30 September 1980 a a pair of Iranian Phantom jets, part of a larger group of aircraft attacking a conventional electric power plant near Baghdad, also bombed the Osiraq reactor. Minor damage to the reactor was reported. No further Iranian air attacks against Iraqi nuclear facilities were identified during the rest of the seven-year war.
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At 15:55 on 07 June 1981, the first F-15 and F-16's roared off the runway from Etzion Air Force Base in the south. Israeli air force planes flew over Jordanian, Saudi, and Iraqi airspace After a tense but uneventful low-level navigation route, the fighters reached their target. They popped up at 17:35 and quickly identified the dome gleaming in the late afternoon sunlight. Iraqi defenses were caught by surprise and opened fire too late. In one minute and twenty seconds, the reactor lay in ruins.
Stop writing, you don't add anything airsofter. You family is not at risk in the middle of the Atlantic. Geez.
Look newbie, before posting, go and read some, then come and call stupid whoever you want, but not before learning. ok?
Even then don't call people stupid...
Its a forum, everybody as right to express their opinion.
This Island as an important military base to US operations overseas, in the Cold War we had our coordinates entered in a silo with some USSR "love machine" destined for us and as for World Wars goes, WWI we participate and lost good number of people there, got relatives who participated on it, WWII we had on my island bombers from RAF that hunted down German subs, again i had relatives directly envolved in those operations in the logistic part of it, so not so "neutral" after all.
What i gatter on this subject from US military personnel is no desire to tackle with Iran right now, but as things are going i have no issued if Israel goes and bombs their Nuclear instalations, but sincerely i think that that is exactly what Iran wants to happen, since i dont think they are able on their own to build and operate a significant Nuclear capable arsenal.
As an European and civilian i see this all matter as an anoyance since oil prices are raising.
I might as well repost it. People need to read better, or understand what they read.
I said facilities. Iran WAS the first to attack a neighbors facilities. And for a specific reason.....to forestall. Deal with it....they are hypocrites
Nothings gonna change.
I don't understand your post, What's the point of being arrogant? Most of us do not know technical details of things, Myself I don't fully understand differences between Nuclear centre, reactor, core, I mean, who cares? The History fact is general. and yes Iran and Israel had a common enemy, and Realpolitik prevailed, there is no need for a (your) moral rule here. Because there is no morality in this. Want to discuss Iranian morality again with me? I can talk for first hand experience how moral Iran is, can you say the same?
And I thank we are de numero uno hitting nuclear facilities, that's what keeping my family alive.
Same as above. You are being arrogant, I dont see the point. You can correct any detail if you want.
And Assassinations its not the same as terror bombings, right? I mean a nuclear scientist of a country that publicly declares to want to wipe my kids off the face of the map is not the same that putting a bomb on the car of a Israeli women who happen to be the wife of a diplomat. I mean, you are the one who is picky about details.
And the Iran/contras/ Israel operation was already posted by me in another thread, its well known, nobody is hiding anything here. The world is a brutal place, and you know I know.
As long your kids do not have to use a gas mask, run to a shelter, or their school bus get missiled you will not be annoyed.............and you mind your oil prices. Thats the mentality of a person who lives in a island in the middle of the ocean. you just care for the oil price, I care for my country and my people. Little difference there, right?
Off-course!
I have the luxury to see things at a distance and unbias position, but i do simpatize with your position and understand it, seen my share of things when younger, could say i´ve been around the block and it wasnt sight seing that i was doing... I know things can go from bad to butt ugly very fast.
Ill just finish saying that Israel must make damn sure that it shows Iran is really pursuing Nuclear weapons, cause in this days friends are hard to come by and as you know many countries around you are boiling and we cant see in wich direction their going to turn now, unillateral military action without a clear justification can make more damage to Israel in the long run than Iran having a working nuclear plant.
Nope...The first such thing would be Norway...with Norwegian resistance (with British help) attacking the German Heavy Water Plant. Try Again...
Israel sabotaged the CERN cores intended for the Osiris/Isis reactor in France.
Please try again.
Courtesy of the French Foreign Affairs:
http://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/fr/IMG/pdf/Osirak.pdf
BTW the attack at Iraq's facilities was prepared with Israeli approval and intelligence. The French even believed at the time that the four F-4's were indeed Israeli.
It seems that for a military forum, people have little to no knowledge of the state of affairs then.
But hey, Iran's the Devil...
Arrogance? Where? At your corner? Surely. Because while the world is a brutal place, some have the luxury of that brutality...given that Israel is contemplating to breach AIEA's GC-53 regarding nuclear installations.
I'm nowhere near the level of animosity you seem to display towards me, but you have to be square.
Animosity? I thought you knew me better than that. Even if some of us make mistakes, or do not have your level of knowledge, you can address it better than you do.
And yes Iran is the devil, the other day, was the birthday of Cris Degtiar, he would be 39, but no, He was slain at 21 because Iran. That is the real thing, it is not theoretical, its real. The Holy Leaders are murderers of common real people who had nothing to do with anything other than being Jews.
You seems to forget that we didn't attack Iran, never.
Iran is now waiting for Ashtons response after delivering the letter.
Two words...Peripheral Strategy.
Israel has never had to attack Iran. Reflect on Queen Esther from the Old Testament. Israel's interests regarding Iran have always been served through a fascia of the US diplomacy and interventionism. Mosadegh, The Olive revolution, the White Revolution, the Iran-Iraq war...
If anything, Israel has had the same issues as Iran with the Arabs. It has always had the same answers (as Iran) for the Arabs (finding a Tutor). The issue has always been the global reach of the Shia population.
The problem is that Israel is simply fearing its role in the Middle East is on a cross-road. If Iran cuts the Israeli middle man for its own profit (IE having the US go back to the Persian option) Israel is pretty much done as a local hegemon.
And god forbid Iran has some serious assets. I see the Israeli-Iran scuffle as business deal gone wrong. Israel knows this, Iran knows it. And unlike Iran, Israel has no time to spare. I pretty much understand and appreciate the Israeli pride, ain't easy being put back in self-defence mode with less tools to walk the walk Israel wants to.
The real thing is that both sides are willing to bet real people for regional hegemony. I don't know if you get the idea here. It is that Iran (bar open war) has won the long run. They can pretty much have a go at any one in the region with an Arab badge. They have enough land and manpower to keep Israel at bay. IE the only thing they fear and have feared has been the sugar daddies.
So saying Israel has never attacked Iran, is way more complicated. Let's say that the dealings during the Iran-Contra gate show an Israeli side eager to put Iranians on a harms way to hurt Saddam and themselves. During Operation Ajax Israelis could have saved Mosadegh by having him informed. They instead worked for the Sugar daddy Uncle Sam buying out half of Tehran.
At the time Iran was the second Muslim country to have recognized Israel...
Now I'm not going to toss around any accusations because as I stated, this is not about right or wrong. This is about regional hegemony based on strategic assets. Iran has plenty, Israel has close to none. Under that light I understand clearly the hurry and propaganda of the Israeli camp.
Israel as a local hegemon? Interesting. Okay, please substantiate that claim.
Also, your claims about Ajax require examination and documentation. Document how Israel knew anything at all about Ajax? While your at it, also document your claim about Israel being a US client state in 1953.
Todd has clearly spoke about the first country to bomb a nuclear reactor and he was right.
The cores (a component that had to be shipped to Osirak) and the sabotaged boats that shipped the heavy water produced in Norway were not reactors.
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