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Thread: Israeli Court Invalidates a Military Exemption (for Ultra-Orthodox)

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    Does anyone else want to see a bunch of these Neturai Karta *****s dropped into Gaza, Pakistan, or Somalia?

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    I believe the best way to integrate the ultra-orthodox into both the IDF and the workforce, is to slash the welfare to zero for the recalcitrant people even if they have to sleep in tent city instead of having the State to subsidize for them housing on the cheap, at the expense of the secular hard-working Israelis, which are entitled to only a mere fraction of welfare than what the ultra-orthodox are getting.

    Being said that, no Israeli government will dare touching the ultra-orthodox's privileges without being thrown out of office thanks to the long-lasting corrupted practice of political alliance with the religious parties which are funneling State's money for them-self like crooks. So short of a 100% secular government coalition it's going to be a pipe-dream. The only case of a secular coalition is when national unity gov takes shape between the left and right and unfortunately such coalition are rare to happen only when the country is going through wars or financial crisis, like the one during the second intifada when Sharon was in office.

    Bottom line is, only out of dire necessity like a time of hardship will somethings better come out of that mess otherwise nothing will happen and the corrupted system of alliance with the ultra-orthodox will continue. External factor such as the comfortable US military annual funding, which started in the 70's, play a very counter-productive role. In a way, the US funding gives a feeling of no urgency to reform the system, there is money for everyone especially for the religious parties blackmailing for the money at the Knesset.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ren789 View Post
    I believe the best way to integrate the ultra-orthodox into both the IDF and the workforce, is to slash the welfare to zero for the recalcitrant people even if they have to sleep in tent city instead of having the State to subsidize for them housing on the cheap, at the expense of the secular hard-working Israelis, which are entitled to only a mere fraction of welfare than what the ultra-orthodox are getting.

    Being said that, no Israeli government will dare touching the ultra-orthodox's privileges without being thrown out of office thanks to the long-lasting corrupted practice of political alliance with the religious parties which are funneling State's money for them-self like crooks. So short of a 100% secular government coalition it's going to be a pipe-dream. The only case of a secular coalition is when national unity gov takes shape between the left and right and unfortunately such coalition are rare to happen only when the country is going through wars or financial crisis, like the one during the second intifada when Sharon was in office.

    Bottom line is, out of dire necessity nothing will happen and the corrupted system of alliance with the ultra-orthodox will continue. External factor such as the comfortable US military annual funding, which started in the 70's, play a very counter-productive role. In the way the US funding gives a feeling of no urgency to reform the system, there is money for everyone especially for the religious parties blackmailing for the money at the Knesset.
    That's the problem with having proportional representation. The minorities have too much power in forming the government. But in the future, if the religious groups become the majority since they have so many children, proportional representation would become a good thing because it would allow a secular minority to moderate the religious majority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piano View Post
    That's the problem with having proportional representation. The minorities have too much power in forming the government. But in the future, if the religious groups become the majority since they have so many children, proportional representation would become a good thing because it would allow a secular minority to moderate the religious majority.
    I don't wanna predict the state of affairs of Israel if the ultra-orthodox becomes the majority. Israel was created after all as the state for the jewish people not a halakha (theocratic) state like Iran or what the muslim brotherhood are vying for. The best Israeli people, those working and serving, will probably prefer to leave that country for good rather than being enslaved by a lazy and obscurantist majority. They would leave behind a failed state both defenseless and economically bankrupt (Israel is a knowledge economy). There will be no more state standing left.

    The actual secular majority has still its fate in its own hand. Demography is not just about fatalism and statistic. It has been demonstrated that during the 2000's harsh economic crisis, the drastic cut in welfare (possible because the coalition did not comprise religious party but the cuts were canceled once they come back) did affect ultra-orthodox's (and arabs) birthrate big time. If Israel becomes a failed state, the secular people will have nothing to blame but them-self.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ren789 View Post
    .... not a halakha (theocratic) state like Iran or what the muslim brotherhood are vying for.
    Not to troll but I always found that to be the ultimate irony.

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