Reply With QuoteU.S. does not have enough oil to lower gas prices. At least not for long term. It is a global market.Originally Posted by Chulo
Except that Conservatives would allow drilling and oil exploration which would have lead to lower gas prices, so when the president or party does not, then it is a valid observation.
U.S. does not have enough oil to lower gas prices. At least not for long term. It is a global market.
Actually, it would not. It takes years to identify, test, develop and get crude from a well. Drilling is not and never will be a short term fix. And, since you are now talking long term its better to find and develop an alternative.
Better still to find a way to get the oil we can and use the time to find a long-term solution than to try to slam together a band-aid in five years. "Biofuel" and hydrogren are not long-term (or even viable really) solutions.
Maybe we should all go back to the simple days of the Horse and Carriage.
The best long-term solution will be to develop fast-charging, high energy density batteries. Then you don't need to worry about what to fuel your vehicles with and the whole oil/biofuel/hydrogen arguement can be thrown in the garbage can where it belongs.Maybe we should all go back to the simple days of the Horse and Carriage.
Be a very short term fix chulo, we absolutly cannot rely on oil moving into the future, the more we ween ourselves the less dependant, and that much further ahead we will be compared to other countrys. Days of big boy trucks, and gas guzzlers are coming to a close.Except that Conservatives would allow drilling and oil exploration which would have lead to lower gas prices, so when the president or party does not, then it is a valid observation.
Sure, who is talking about long term impact? So you admit that drilling and production would have some impact on the prices.
Plus the basis for what we have is based on studies done 30 - 50 years ago, limited by technology, areas to test and feasibility.
even recent studies have shown a great increase on previous projections.
http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=1911North Dakota and Montana have an estimated 3.0 to 4.3 billion barrels of undiscovered, technically recoverable oil in an area known as the Bakken Formation. A U.S. Geological Survey assessment, released April 10, shows a 25-fold increase in the amount of oil that can be recovered compared to the agency's 1995 estimate of 151 million barrels of oil.
Plus U.S has one of the largest oil deposits1. The Piceance & Uinta Basins
> Country: USA
> Est. Total Resource: 2.855 trillion barrels
> Est. Remaining: 2.855 trillion barrels
> Discovery Date: 1912
The Piceance and Uinta Basins in western Colorado and eastern Utah are estimated to hold oil shale in place of 1.525 trillion barrels and 1.32 trillion barrels, respectively. The catch is that the stuff is not really oil at all, but rock containing kerogen, a precursor to oil. In a few hundred million years the rock would be converted to flowing oil naturally, if it were left alone. These basins, along with another in southern Wyoming, were added to the U.S. Naval Petroleum and Oil Shale Preserves in 1912, although Native Americans had used the flammable rocks for centuries. The total area covered by the deposits is about 16,000 square miles, an area larger than the states of New Jersey and Connecticut combined. Whether the oil shales are ever developed depends largely on the price of crude and how much environmental impact people are willing endure.
http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=1911On 2 April 2009 The U.S. Geological Survey updated its assessment of in-place oil shale resources in the Piceance Basin in western Colorado. This new assessment is about 50 percent larger than the 1989 assessment of about one trillion barrels. Almost all of this increase is due to assessments of new geographic areas and subsurface zones that had too little data for previous research and assessments. "For the first time in 20 years, we have an updated assessment of in-place oil shale in the Piceance Basin of Colorado," said US Secretary of the Interior Ken Salazar. "The USGS scientific report shows significant quantities of oil locked up in the shale rocks of the Piceance Basin. I believe it demonstrates the need for our continued research and development efforts."
I never said it was a short term fix. Plus areas in the gulf and alaska have already been identified and tested. There are plenty of rigs and drills that have a moratorium that can be reopened. People need to get over the "short term" fix argument and accept the fact that other countries are drilling in areas that the U.S could have and should have, and if there was drilling allowed 15-20 years ago, we would be seeing the fruits about now.
This is so true.and if there was drilling allowed 15-20 years ago, we would be seeing the fruits about now.
Hydrogen and algae-based bio-diesel are very viable long term solutions. Ethanol isn't even viable now. You need to look up GMs Hywire car, the amount of electricity that motor produces is immense. However, we need electrolysis plants and the reality is they require a lot power to do that, but once enough hydrogen has been separated the plant can produce electricity and still separate the hydrogen. Unless you just want to hook up San Onofre?
With Algae base bio diesel you probably don't have to change much in the current manufacture of diesel engines, however we also need our SUVs and Trucks getting 50MPG with the same torque...which I'm sure could have been done.
Hydrogen will never be.
No, they aren't. How do you make the hydrogen? Electrolysis is very energy intensive and the easiest and cheapest method is extracting it from fossil fuels.
Algae is a joke, do you have any idea how much land and water would be needed to make a significant dent in the oil supply. To replace just 17% of oil, like Obama said, with Algae-derived bio oil would take farmland equivalent to South Carolina, and would need 350 gallons of water for every gallon of algae-oil.
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/201...WR009966.shtml
The rut in the thought process is where everybody thinks of combustion as the energy source. We need to go beyond that.
Good luck.
Beyond that to what?
And combustion isn't the energy source, it is merely the mechanism through which energy is liberated from the fuel.
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