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    Only if he agreed to have an affair with Sarkozy's wife.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pandemonium View Post
    . . . also Santorum would score well with these groups here in Europe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wahnsinn View Post
    You've missed my point.

    What is a comparable party though? I think you could argue that part of the Republican parties voter base is quite similar to that of the BNP when it comes to certain issues. Most of the social policies of the BNP are quite similar to those of Republicans who are a little bit further right of centre than the majority. In essence, I think a lot of BNP voters would be Republicans in the US but I guess we will never know.
    I don't think so.

    BNP only admits white members and has advocated for the removal of non-whites from the UK.

    No political party that advocates such stances will get anywhere in the USA. Even if such a party has other platform points that lots of people agree with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [WDW]Megaraptor View Post
    I don't think so.

    BNP only admits white members and has advocated for the removal of non-whites from the UK.

    No political party that advocates such stances will get anywhere in the USA. Even if such a party has other platform points that lots of people agree with.
    I don't think you know what you are talking about. The BNP doesn't only admit white members. This was challenged in the courts 2-3 years ago and they were forced to change their admissions policy.

    As for having advocated the removal of all non-whites, as with the previous point that may have been the case before but their policies have softened somewhat in recent years in an attempt to broaden their appeal (thankfully it isn't working). As you quite rightly point out they have done so in the past but not now.

    Quote Originally Posted by BNP Manifesto
    The BNP’s policy is to:


    • Deport all the two million plus who are here illegally;


    • Deport all those who commit crimes and whose original nationality was not British;


    • Review all recent grants of residence or citizenship to ensure they are still appropriate;


    • Offer generous grants to those of foreign descent resident here who wish to leave permanently;


    • Stop all new immigration except for exceptional cases;


    • Reject all asylum seekers who passed safe countries on their way to Britain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wahnsinn View Post
    I don't think you know what you are talking about. The BNP doesn't only admit white members. This was challenged in the courts 2-3 years ago and they were forced to change their admissions policy.

    As for having advocated the removal of all non-whites, as with the previous point that may have been the case before but their policies have softened somewhat in recent years in an attempt to broaden their appeal (thankfully it isn't working). As you quite rightly point out they have done so in the past but not now.
    In the USA, a party that advocated these things within recent memory still wouldn't get any support.

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    Here is my observantion, in the last 70 years Europe has moved away from its Judeo-Christian values and has become very secular-humanist. Thus to see who the USA has for presidential candidates seems odd, indeed. As for a number of my fellow American posters here on this web-site, you too have grown up in a country who for the last 50 years has also moved away from its Judeo-Christian foundation. So with the acceptance of secular-human viewpoint, many here think it odd that a Christian (be he/her a Protestant or Catholic) running for office is absurd. Of course, in usual fashion the response to this is to think that a "theocracy" is going to spring up overnight. Couldn't be further from the truth!
    As for Jimmy Carter, his record during his time as President and since, speaks for itself. If you believe him to be a "Christian" very well. I can not say he is or isn't? If so though, he has been very ignorant of the Scriptures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haze99 View Post
    So with the acceptance of secular-human viewpoint, many here think it odd that a Christian (be he/her a Protestant or Catholic) running for office is absurd. Of course, in usual fashion the response to this is to think that a "theocracy" is going to spring up overnight. Couldn't be further from the truth!
    It's not that he's a Christian at all. People here don't have a problem with religious politicians at all. Blair was a Christian and never hid the fact for example. Cameron is also a Christian. It's that Santorum is a full on nutcase.

    If he just kept his faith relatively private and people weren't concered he intends to make his personal beliefs legislate for everyone, noone would care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corrupt View Post
    It's not that he's a Christian at all. People here don't have a problem with religious politicians at all. Blair was a Christian and never hid the fact for example. Cameron is also a Christian. It's that Santorum is a full on nutcase.

    If he just kept his faith relatively private and people weren't concered he intends to make his personal beliefs legislate for everyone, noone would care.
    And the fact that Mister Santorum feels the need to spout out misgivings about other countries based on his "views".

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    Quote Originally Posted by haze99 View Post
    ...Judeo-Christian values ... Judeo-Christian foundation
    You know the whole "judeo-christian" stuff is christian propaganda and nothing else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haze99 View Post
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    No he is not objectionable because he is a Christian, but because of the weird lies he told about my own country. Well and just his weird remarks in general. If remarks like those make him qualified enough to lead any nation, then this is beyond bizarre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyon View Post
    You know the whole "judeo-christian" stuff is christian propaganda and nothing else.
    x2 what is it supposed to mean? All i can think of is Christians persecuting Jews for past 2000 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyusu View Post
    x2 what is it supposed to mean? All i can think of is Christians persecuting Jews for past 2000 years.
    And borrowing their money because the Bible forbids lending with interest :P

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    Mare accurately, making us loan them the money by making it one of the few trades we could participate in with Christians.

    I once had responsibility for purchasing books using a dedicated fund. The over-riding criteria or terms of the bequest was to buy books highlighting Jewish-Christian cooperation and neighborly relations during the Middle Ages. Thought I had an out by books on Ottoman Jewry but the Ottomans weren't Christians. The Inquisition didn't count either.

    Quote Originally Posted by Corrupt View Post
    And borrowing their money because the Bible forbids lending with interest :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaplanr View Post
    Mare accurately, making us loan them the money by making it one of the few trades we could participate in with Christians.
    The 'debt restructuring' by Spain was a bit harsh. The financial knowledge was much appreciated though, following the subsequent relocation to the Netherlands. We used it to invent modern banking and the stock market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [WDW]Megaraptor View Post
    In the USA, a party that advocated these things within recent memory still wouldn't get any support.
    I'm sure it could get some support, there seem to be quite a few Americans who hold such views. None of this is really that important anyway, the BNP is very much a minority party with very little support despite what you may think.

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