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    Quote Originally Posted by junglejim View Post
    I just find it funny how some Atheists asre so hardcore in their beliefs that they feel like they should form a church and reach out and convert people into Atheism.
    Atheism is a lack of belief in a god or gods. I'm as hardcore an atheist as anyone. No atheist wants to form a 'church', nor 'convert' people. That's what people who believe in myths do.

    If I was an Atheist, why would I give a **** about other peoples religion?
    Abortion rights. Access to birth control. Stem cell research. Gay rights. All kinds of ways people seek to impose the superstitious nonsense of their choice on others who don't share those beliefs.

    An Atheists should be the nicest guy around... because you shouldnt give a fcuk about religion. Instead a lot have this assholish arrogance about them, but this is just my experience with my interactions with most Atheists I meet and in this forum.
    With the ignorance and arrogance you display it's no wonder you bring out the worst in atheists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flecktarn92 View Post
    Correct me if I am wrong but isn't being athiest mean that you don't believe in an organized religion? So if there is an organized groups of athiests doesn't that sort of make them a religion
    Atheism is a religion as bald is a hair colour and not collecting stamps is a hobby.

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    I really want to hear and see the reaction from muslims when the billboard goes up. Atheists in the US have been going after the easy target i.e. Christianity for so long that they are in for quite a shock going up against Islam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thecdn View Post
    I'm as hardcore an atheist as anyone. No atheist wants to form a 'church', nor 'convert' people. That's what people who believe in myths do.

    With the ignorance and arrogance you display it's no wonder you bring out the worst in atheists.
    And you bring out the worst in the religious.

    But thankfully there are level-headed and moderate Theists and Atheists who don't have beef with each other, why? They are secure in their beliefs and don't feel the need to ridicule others to reaffirm their philosophy like Hollis said. "Hardcore" Theists and Atheists are equally as annoying, judgmental, devoid of any logic, and they are horrible representatives of their sides.
    (end of chime)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollis View Post
    Actually it is more proactive than that. There is NO god(s).
    Most atheists wouldn't be that emphatic as you can't prove a negative. You can't prove there are no leprechauns. To paraphrase Richard Dawkins, you wouldn't say you are agnostic about whether there are faries at the bottom of a well, you would say you don't believe they exist due to the lack of evidence. So it is with most atheists and god(s)

    Agnostic don't believe and don't know.
    Agnostics believe that you can't know whether god exists or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thecdn View Post
    Atheism is a lack of belief in a god or gods. I'm as hardcore an atheist as anyone. No atheist wants to form a 'church', nor 'convert' people. That's what people who believe in myths do.

    Abortion rights. Access to birth control. Stem cell research. Gay rights. All kinds of ways people seek to impose the superstitious nonsense of their choice on others who don't share those beliefs.

    With the ignorance and arrogance you display it's no wonder you bring out the worst in atheists.
    People like you are the main cause of why certain people hate Atheists. Also, how funny you mention ignorance and arrogance when you actually show it yourself. You are ignorant for claiming that Atheism is fact. NO ONE CAN PROVE IT. Mankind cannot yet prove or disprove the existence of a God. Atheism is a belief. You are also arrogant for telling someone there belief system is a myth. Who the F*** are you to tell people such things. I personally have no problems with non-theists, although people like you sicken me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thecdn View Post
    Atheism is a religion as bald is a hair colour and not collecting stamps is a hobby.
    I guess you flunked out of philosophy. Religion and philosophy is the same thing, it offers a world view. Whilst you say you are not interested in converting other people, you sure are interested in proving or saying "believers" are wrong. Actually those people I met who were in to converting people to their way/religion did what you are doing.

    Just like there are those arrogant believers who believe their way is the only way, we have you to balance them out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollis View Post
    Actually it is more proactive than that. There is NO god(s). Agnostic don't believe and don't know. People do group up. I would not discredit the human's ability to rationalize any thing. There are all kinds of atheists, just like any other group. Some are very insecure in their "beliefs"/ideas/conclusions and feel the need to convert. Conversion is a way of reaffirming one's idea as being true. Just because a person is a atheist it does not mean they do not suffer the the failings of being human. I knew one who was very superstitious. They were suppose to be a materialist too. I think a lot of people are sort of hogpogists, a collection of this and that. They may identify with some concept as long as it does not interfere with their lifestyle.
    There are so many types of all the "theists" that it really gets confusing for me sometimes to see the difference between some of them. I for example don't believe in God (but I'm not saying that he doesn't exist and wouldn't call myself apatheist (to avoid misunderstood I'm not satanist either lol)). I haven't even bothered with checking how this is called and honesty don't care. If someone ask me what's my religious preference, to not waste time with explaining all the philosophy of it I just reply atheist, just like IMO many people would do even if they may be other "theists"

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    Every time this subject comes up (and it does without fail every year or so - hmmm like a marketing campaign perhaps), I post my postulations on the three types of atheists. So I'll do it again.

    As I see it, there are three seperate groups that describe themselves as atheists.

    First up you have a group that these days I call the Apathyists. I like to think I fall into this group. They don't know if there is/are a god(s) and don't care as they don't feel any need for it in their lives. They also don't care if others do feel the need for sacrificing to smok-smok the god of goat rapists, or attending a sermon every Sunday and partaking of the sacrement or any other way of expressing your faith so long as it doesn't impact on them.

    Secondly you have the zealots, for whom atheism is similar to a religion complete with a need to preach at theose who's beliefs are "wrong" and convert them over the the right way of thinking. Personally I find these guys to be asshats.

    Finally you have those who have in fact embraced a secular religon, but adopt the name atheist as they think its what they are. I'd put eco-nuts in here for example with their gaia/nature worship to an irrational level. No doubt there are others too.

    And there you go, my personal summation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheKiwi View Post
    Every time this subject comes up (and it does without fail every year or so - hmmm like a marketing campaign perhaps), I post my postulations on the three types of atheists. So I'll do it again.

    As I see it, there are three seperate groups that describe themselves as atheists.

    First up you have a group that these days I call the Apathyists. I like to think I fall into this group. They don't know if there is/are a god(s) and don't care as they don't feel any need for it in their lives. They also don't care if others do feel the need for sacrificing to smok-smok the god of goat rapists, or attending a sermon every Sunday and partaking of the sacrement or any other way of expressing your faith so long as it doesn't impact on them.

    Secondly you have the zealots, for whom atheism is similar to a religion complete with a need to preach at theose who's beliefs are "wrong" and convert them over the the right way of thinking. Personally I find these guys to be asshats.

    Finally you have those who have in fact embraced a secular religon, but adopt the name atheist as they think its what they are. I'd put eco-nuts in here for example with their gaia/nature worship to an irrational level. No doubt there are others too.

    And there you go, my personal summation.
    I guess that makes me an Apathyist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thecdn View Post
    Atheism is a lack of belief in a god or gods. I'm as hardcore an atheist as anyone. No atheist wants to form a 'church', nor 'convert' people. That's what people who believe in myths do.
    But that is what happened with the Billboards, a group of people with the same beliefs "Atheism" doing Missionary work and spreading the word so others of different faith "converts"... to atheism.

    It's funny how you keep mentioning myths, yet when science preach about a belief it's called "theory." Take Christianity for example, it has adopted and changed over time based on new findings that can be proved or answered... same with Science. But no, we are morons that believe in Myth, while some of you hold steadfast on your science... until it is proven wrong, which is ok cause that's what theories are supposed to be.


    Quote Originally Posted by thecdn View Post
    Abortion rights. Access to birth control. Stem cell research. Gay rights. All kinds of ways people seek to impose the superstitious nonsense of their choice on others who don't share those beliefs.
    Plenty of Christians who push almost all of those, though gay rights I dont think can be blamed soley on the religious. Remember even the Muslims have a more radical view on being gay than say most western Atheists.



    Quote Originally Posted by thecdn View Post
    With the ignorance and arrogance you display it's no wonder you bring out the worst in atheists.
    That maybe, but you seem pissed, is it cause I am attacking your "beliefs?"

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    Is it just me or is this debate getting a bit nauseating?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheKiwi View Post
    apathyism - don't know, don't give a fuck.
    I've been looking for something, some catchy phrase, to describe my view on religion and the above is probably the best thing I've seen so far...thanks TheKiwi.

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    I'm all for people choosing to believe or cease to believe, but militant atheism is a retarded as religious militantism. Doesn't help **** and only antagonize people.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheKiwi View Post
    Meh, screw atheism, join me in apathyism - don't know, don't give a fuck.
    Where do I sign up ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by junglejim View Post
    But that is what happened with the Billboards, a group of people with the same beliefs "Atheism" doing Missionary work and spreading the word so others of different faith "converts"... to atheism.

    It's funny how you keep mentioning myths, yet when science preach about a belief it's called "theory." Take Christianity for example, it has adopted and changed over time based on new findings that can be proved or answered... same with Science. But no, we are morons that believe in Myth, while some of you hold steadfast on your science... until it is proven wrong, which is ok cause that's what theories are supposed to be.
    Plenty of Christians who push almost all of those, though gay rights I dont think can be blamed soley on the religious. Remember even the Muslims have a more radical view on being gay than say most western Atheists.

    That maybe, but you seem pissed, is it cause I am attacking your "beliefs?"
    I think it's mainly politics in US, I haven't noticed any big campaigns in Europe. Every time atheists do something the other side, will use it to agonize their own people. This doesn't take place in Europe, at least I haven't noticed it. Nothing wrong with it, it's good that there is some dialog even when it's trolling. Maybe given time both atheists and religious people find way to live together.

    Religion didn't take Apollo to the moon and I'll leave it to that.

    Problem rises when you impose rules over me because you believe in something. As I wouldn't support atheists who would like to ban all religions.

    To be honest I saw you trolling first by extrapolating your own experiences to the form that lot of atheists are arrogant asshöles...

    I think you have burden of proof because you claim that there is some supernatural being. Atheist are saying (usually) that there ain't any evidence that would point to the existence of god or gods.

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