Pro-Assad vs Anti - Assad
which side are you on and why
How can one really be pro-Assad? He's a murderous dictator who belongs into a dark cell (at best). I can understand that people don't support the Arab spring movements for various reasons, however being pro Assad? Really?
I personally can't wait to see him being dragged through the streets and share the fait of Gaddafi and the like.
Pro Assad, anti Assad - how much power Assad has is the real question. Is he real leader or merely a figure head? It like with Ahmadinedschad that is being blamed for everything that Iran does, while actually him being only a puppet.
why do you say that hes a murderer?
if the rebels took over your city what do you think your government would do
In my part of the world we elect our goverments and replace them if we are not satisfied by their ruling. So armed rebellions don't happen that often over here, so a "what if" is rather mute.
Why Assad is a murderer? Ultimately he is responsible for all the abductions, the torture and killings that happened way before the armed rebellion even started. Why do you thinks the people over there risk their lives, health and property over a fight against a "politician"?
i still think the whole "syrian uprising" is the typical jihad thingOriginally Posted by Herman the II
Yes, yes, yes... "Assad bloody dictator!!!"... "kill Assad!!!!"...
"Forces of good" kicked out of the "soviet of invaders" from Afghanistan, was bombed "evil Serbs", killed Saddam, Gaddafi and Osama - tell me, where is the life of this better?
I gather you missed the history of Syria. The rebels may not be better, they could be worse. That does not mean Assad was a good guy. BTW Nyusu, has a pretty good point. Some say, the old guard of Syria is the real power not Assad. Anyway, Something does need to be done in Syria. Their involvement in Lebanon, support of Hezbullah, being a puppet/proxy for Iran is enough for me.
Who to replace the regime. That is another issue. If you look at the last century, repressive governments are becoming fewer and fewer. I don't actually mind Assad staying in power if he changes his evil ways.
your statement;
I gather you are saying that the rebels are the bad guys? Assad regime is definitely not the good guys.if the rebels took over your city what do you think your government would do
Maybe our devote Russian member of your type can for a Assad fan club. This may not be the forum to do it on. I am sure a Russian forum would not want to support the Chechnya terrorists, BTW, this forum does not support the Chechnya terrorists either. A good way to get banned is to do so.
And "good fellows" - it those who does get the Nobel prize of the world?
That organization seems to operate in their own universe a times.And "good fellows" - it those who does get the Nobel prize of the world?
Both side aren't angels. And neither side should hold any power. Best outcome for Syria is armed rebellion getting crushed and Assad letting slowly go of his power.
But that likely won't happen instead either the rebels win and and the country will become a ****hole with Sunnis oppressing everyone else. which the US will call pinnacle of Democracy. Or Assad stays in power and the wester world will sanction the **** out of Syria and it'll become more of a ****hole then it is now. And Assad will like be butchering more people especially the Sunnis.
So either way Syria is ****ed.
Last edited by Rubick; 03-02-2012 at 01:16 PM.
And where the government "angels"? Please, show a finger - I emigrate there.
P.S. By the way, quite recently, one person said, "We do not know of the truth of which groups will be armed" - it seems, she too is not sure that the weapons will be among the angels...
Largely irrelevant, if you ask me. Hard to figure out what you need to do/not do in order to attain the "prize."And "good fellows" - it those who does get the Nobel prize of the world?
These "rebels" are people who are sick of being shot at while protesting and having their neighborhoods shelled. Just put yourself in their shoes. What would you do if Homs was really your neighborhood and the government was massacring your neighbors? If somebody rolled into my neighborhood with t-62's and BMP's, shelling my neighbors houses and shooting at their children, you're damn right I'd be ambushing them and laying IED's every safe opportunity I got. There would be no hesitation. That's why there are so many proud defections. That's why they're so willing to show their ID's. People see through Assad's lies. Syrian Army soldier's are being asked to go into their own neighborhoods and shoot at protesters. Their Alawite officers are so paranoid they're only giving them light weapons and managing the heavy weapons like artillery themselves. I think for anyone living in Syria who isn't in some Alawite enclave protected by Assad's private militia, it's pretty clear what's really going on. Even a large portion of the Christian's are on board with this revolution.
To me, I could care less about the politics of it. Facts are facts. Fact is, Assad, an Alawite minority member is brutally repressing the rights and will of the majority of the people of Syria. To me, the end result and what type of government they'll have in the future isn't even relevant right now. If Syria ends up being some Sunni ran dictatorship, it doesn't matter. What matters to me right now is that the will of the people be heard, and they be given a choice in their own futures. Right now 90% of Syria does not have any of those rights because a small minority is terrorizing them. If you want some assurance, read about the FSA guy who Facebooked an IDF commander and told him the rebels genuinely want nothing but peace. I really do believe him. Sure he can't speak for everybody, but I have a feeling that's what most Syrian's want, too.
I'm not for a direct intervention, but if Allied nations want to give them some comms. equipment, body armor and some heavier weapons then I'm all for it. I don't think Assad is stupid enough to start bombing with airplanes, because he learned from Libya and knows that would quickly get him deposed like Gaddafi. I think with the right materials, these rebels can definitely win their well-deserved right to determine their own futures.
I'm most worried about the humanitarian crisis. If you think Assad's a good guy, just look at how he refuses to allow humanitarian aid to most places that need it most. No cease fire, nothing. Only like yesterday was some aid allowed through. Those reporters who were murdered by Assad's men weren't even allowed to be returned home to their loved ones. Last night I watched one of their burials in a youtube video. Assad and his regime have no respect for human dignity.
It really disgusts me the people trying to give Assad a pass and accuse the opposition of being anything other than a group of people just trying to survive and keep their dignity. Sure some of them are Salafist radicals, but they're the loudest and wealthiest so of course they're going to be noticed more than the farmer just trying to protect his livelihood or the doctor treating those poor people in Homs who have been hit by shrapnel.
In my humble opinion, Assad deserves a Gaddafi-style death for all the suffering he's caused. Even that's too good for him, though. I'd love to see him die an old broken man in a cell at The Hague, but I doubt it will happen. He'll probably be living in a dacha somewhere outside Moscow in the near future. He's a much more cunning character than Gaddafi, he'll know when his time is up. A lot of people who know Assad personally say the reason why he's doing this is because he's got his mama in his ear telling him to do what his father did in '82 during the Hama Massacre. His father had his brother Rifaat command the massacre of tens of thousands of people in the same type of scorched Earth policy as Bashar's doing now.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hama_massacre
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