Reply With Quotemy hopes it was the only happening of the kindOriginally Posted by Raden5
forget polonium already.
has nothing to do with Putin - it was an action against him, obviously..
my hopes it was the only happening of the kind
Have you ever followed the two party US elections? It is a great show.There is no doubt that vote counting as such is more transparent, than during Duma elections, just like ballot boxes are transparent now. There will be massive falsifications, for sure, they cannot be avoided in a system which is, essentially, feudalistic, where every level of authority totally depends on their superiors. The problem with these elections is that there is no way to register a party or a candidate not approved by Kremlin, and in this atmosphere Putin may be indeed less undesirable than any of his opponent. It is unlikely that he could win 50% in Moscow or Saint-Petersburg, but he does not have to. In any case, after these elections he will be much weaker, than when he decided to become President again, and I think it is good. A weak authoritarian person is much preferable to adored dictator, in my opinion
I was at the polling station today by the way; the ballot box was transparent so that the first people there could see that there were no ballot papers already inside before the voting officially started. There was a scandal at at least 1 station about exactly this back in the parliamentary elections. I voted for Putin; and when I looked at the papers already submitted, the only paper I could see that didn't vote for Putin, was that of the person that came with me.
Not so BS really; there are no alternatives to him. You may say that he doesn't give room for proper alternatives to appear; but going by the sort of politicians in Western countries; Tony Blair, Brown, Bush, Von Rumpey... ya I'll take Putin tnx
Cheering for the opposition and Putin-bashing is frankly annoying. You know, Russian state spent millions of tax payer money to appease these loudmouths, cameras at every polling place, transparent boxes, observers etc etc. And what do you get, SMS voting now? Whatever. Is Putin supposed to do a little song and dance to appease them? Voting until he loses? What do these people want anyway except stomping the ground like a little kid? Putin won. Live with it. Enough of this circus.
I've seen and particiapted in elections in 3 countries. And yes, I do follow such shows. Regretfully, similarities between them and Russian version are superficial, though direct internet translation and hunt for frauds have certain entertainment value.
I'm gonna avoid watching the news here today, just so I don't have to hear "Russia experts" and "Liberal Russians" talking about all the fraud and how horrible everything is.
If the Russians are happy Putin up with him, then good for them but I'd be worried looking at what has occurred before.
Indeed. It is in completely poor taste by now. One can have sympathy in the Duma elections with some of those Internet video but even then it was pushing it once one considers it really could not represent more than single digit vote manipulations. By now it is a mix of annoyance and boredom. Time to move on.
Possibly but the ruling party did include some welcome novelties and an unprecedented for Russia level of transparency. And Putin still won and that's that. Time to admit he has real support in the nation and stop simply being opstinent.
Ehh, these Femen chicks are a sad bunch. So much potential, so little value :P
Also most of the infuriated kids on twitter, vkontakte and the streets don't remember the fall of the soviet union or the terror of the 90's. Hell I doubt any of them remember the chechen war and just think the terror operation there is for putin to crush all resistance against him. So to think that going full-democrat will suddenly give them the ability to buy more iphones is as pathetic as the shock-capitalism back in the 90's.
Overall turnout was 64 (http://lenta.ru/news/2012/03/05/churov/) I think people got out there to show that they really do support Putin, and as other have said whatever fraud there was couldn't have moved anything approaching 10%, and Putin would still have won with 10% less support.
Preliminaries for [Moscow + St. Petersburg] show the same overall picture with one exception - Prokhorov gets the second place, not Zuganov - about 20%.
Putin cry like a little b!tch he is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXzUM...layer_embedded
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Last edited by Nyusu; 03-04-2012 at 04:53 PM. Reason: i obviosly have troubles reading...
(circle graph with 64% - attendance, with 60% - ballots processed)
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