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    Default Did Iran Test A Nuclear Bomb in North Korea in 2010?

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    The Sunday morning edition of Germany’s Die Welt reports that Western intelligence agencies detected two nuclear weapons tests in North Korea in 2010, and that one or both of them might have been conducted for Iran. Die Welt sets the reported nuclear tests in the context of new documentation showing that the Iranian regime began its drive for nuclear weapons as early as 1984, under the direct orders of the late Ayatollah Khomeini. The author is the respected German analyst Hans Rühle, whose evaluation of Israel’s capacity to cripple the Iranian nuclear program created a stir last month.

    The Die Welt report reads like a line-by-line refutation of the reported US intelligence evaluation that there is no “hard evidence” that Iran is building nuclear weapons. That is a noteworthy reversal: the Obama administration’s intelligence chiefs claim that Iran is not an imminent threat, while a former top German official warns of immediate danger to the Jewish state. The fact is that there are some Germans who do not want to be responsible for a second Holocaust.

    Rühle, who headed the German Defense Ministry’s policy planning staff during the peak of the Cold War in the 1980s, deplores the “credulousness of Western experts” who accept Iran’s protests that its nuclear program is peaceful.

    "Many Western experts still give credence to these representations. Despite numerous indications to the contrary, they give Iran the presumption of innocence, arguing that a nation’s intent to weaponize nuclear power is not proven until it has carried out a nuclear test. But what if Iran had already tested a nuclear weapon, and not on Iranian territory, but in a place where nuclear tests are conducted without regard for world opinion, and where nuclear expertise and technology have long been exported in exchange for hard currency payments–in North Korea?"

    Evidence of the 2010 nuclear tests in North Korea was published Feb. 3 in Nature magazine, citing the work of the Swedish nuclear physicist Lars-Erik de Geer. The Swedish scientist analyzed data showing the presence of radioisotopes that betrayed a uranium bomb explosion. De Geer took the radioisotope data and compared them with the South Korean reports, as well as meteorological records. Nature reports, “After a year of work, he has concluded that North Korea carried out two small nuclear tests in April and May 2010 that caused explosions in the range of 50–200 tonnes of TNT equivalent. The types and ratios of isotopes detected, he says, suggest that North Korea was testing materials and techniques intended to boost the yield of its weapons.”

    But why should North Korea keep the nuclear tests secret? asks Rühle. North Korea proudly advertised its previous nuclear tests. But the North Korean tests of 2006 and 2009 used bombs with a plutonium core. The 2010 tests, according to Lars-Erik de Geer’s calculation, employed enriched uranium. North Korea might have secretly enriched uranium on a sufficient scale to produce sufficient explosive material for two test bombs. But the more likely explanation is this, Rühle concludes:

    "The second explanation would be that North Korea conducted a nuclear test for a foreign entity, in this case, an Iranian explosive. That would be a sensation, although not quite a surprise, to be sure. Intelligence services have observed a close degree of cooperation between North Korean and Iranian experts over a period of years for the preparation of a nuclear test, although the previous assumptions centered on the prospect of an underground nuclear test in Iranian territory."

    Rühle observes:

    "It became known a few days ago that the International Atomic Energy Agency has a document showing that it was the religious leader Ayatollah Khomeini himself who decided in 1984 to resume the nuclear weapons program suspended by the overthrow of the Shah. As his successor Ayatollah Khamenei declared, an Iranian nuclear weapon is viewed as the only way to protect the Islamic revolution and to prepare the way for the arrival of the Imam Mahdi. In Khamenei’s words, an Iranian nuclear arsenal is a deterrent in the hands of the holy warriors. With this sensational report from Tehran’s inner leadership circle it becomes clear that Khomeini’s often-cited fatwa that nuclear weapons are not compatible with Islam was a purely deceptive maneuver. Iran has been totally committed to becoming a nuclear power for decades."



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    That is an interesting perspective. If it gets traction by confirmation it would force Obama to act on his recent words on attacking Iran. Also a reason for Iran to test off-site in Korea. Any German members that can comment on Die Welt as a source?

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    Rühle, the author of the article, is a serious German expert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chanan View Post
    That is an interesting perspective. If it gets traction by confirmation it would force Obama to act on his recent words on attacking Iran. Also a reason for Iran to test off-site in Korea. Any German members that can comment on Die Welt as a source?
    Err, wouldn't it make more sense to attack North Korea instead?

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    And what the sense of such tests? Iran can't buy NK proven nukes or at least NK design docs?
    For deterrence they just need to test one device on their territory and openly claim "Nuclear State" status.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sootan View Post
    Err, wouldn't it make more sense to attack North Korea instead?
    Settle down, the game is against Iran at this time. Get your 'bad guys' in correct priority.

    ..and no. Believe it or not I believe if either Iran or PDRK had nukes, Korea would be the most likely to go ferel and launch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chanan View Post
    That is an interesting perspective. If it gets traction by confirmation it would force Obama to act on his recent words on attacking Iran. Also a reason for Iran to test off-site in Korea. Any German members that can comment on Die Welt as a source?
    Surely, if there is any credibility to this, it would mean that anything more than sanctions is a bad idea?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piano View Post
    Surely, if there is any credibility to this, it would mean that anything more than sanctions is a bad idea?
    My point is that obama has made statements that may haunt him. I suspect these claims will not be proven or at least accepted as proven as it would force Obama into another uncontrolled conflict.

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    i dont know if NK helped iran but i think that russia did

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    There's one thing - albeit it might sound ridiculous - which makes me question the accuracy of this theory.

    Iran cannot put a second tail on a F5 fighter, cannot produce a 1960s legacy air defence without telling the world about the super advanced, insurmountable Iranian military. Now, if they had a potentially working nuke at their disposal, I bet they would ramble 24/7 about the unstoppable Iranian world power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightsky View Post
    There's one thing - albeit it might sound ridiculous - which makes me question the accuracy of this theory.

    Iran cannot put a second tail on a F5 fighter, cannot produce a 1960s legacy air defence without telling the world about the super advanced, insurmountable Iranian military. Now, if they had a potentially working nuke at their disposal, I bet they would ramble 24/7 about the unstoppable Iranian world power.
    The way I understand this story is that Iran won't need to test a nuclear device once she builds one. This would allow her to increase her deterrence because she can go nuclear covertly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sight View Post
    i dont know if NK helped iran but i think that russia did
    Everything is about Russia with you in terms of how everything is evil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sepheronx View Post
    Everything is about Russia with you in terms of how everything is evil.
    yeah? and almost every post of yours is to protect russia even if they do make mistakes, but maybe it's not bad since you are from russia!

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    How reliable is the source? Would be interesting to know if Iran really did test a nuclear bomb in North Korea and how they got it there. But surely the US or ROK would be able to detect radioactive fall out from inside North Korea if a detonation took place? Even smaller thermonuclear weapons are quite easy to detect.


    Quote Originally Posted by sight View Post
    yeah? and almost every post of yours is to protect russia even if they do make mistakes, but maybe it's not bad since you are from russia!

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