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Thread: The Role Ex-Nazis Played in Early West Germany

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    It's sad to see good people fight over the past.

    Anyway hitting on the rest of the culprits doesn't really absolve those responsible within the BundesRepublik.

    However...where do we draw the line morally, historically, socially. If we were to hold a grudge againt the current German State and its subjects then wouldn't that offset our own claims on Individual responsibility, reformation, evolution?

    I understand JustBrowsing but the issues are far more complex and include intent, necessity and contingecy on the behalf of the then German Bundes Republik. However it excludes that old historical scrutiny...the Cold War being there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toddy1 View Post
    Don't forget that "crazy" Hitler was Times, Man of The Year 1938. Hi policies and Government initially were very good...he did become a twisted bastard fairly quickly though. Most narcissistic people do.
    KZ Dachau opened in 1933. In 1935 they already reformed the KZ structure.
    Sitting in a pub and say something against the regime --> Dachau
    That was the end of my grand-grandfather.

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    Bottom line is: the World does not revolve around Poland.
    Neither did this thread until Mr. Potatohead here showed up

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCR View Post
    Bottom line is: the World does not revolve around Poland.
    It did in September 1939. With known consequences for Germany for its aggression.
    Neither did this thread until Mr. Potatohead here showed up
    Ah, denying that a Pole is a human, a traditional characteristic of certain German thinkers.


    Poland got valuable industrial areas in Silesia and good ports in Pommerania and east Prussia and is in a much better strategic position than pre war Poland.
    After 6 million of its citizens were mass murdered, destruction of huge amount of cultural sites, documents, books, works of art, and industrial damage that totals 640 billion dollars. Not to mention those areas were main battlefields in WW2 and had to be reconstructed, a process that even today isn't finished. In addition those territories were compensation for territories lost by Poland not for war damages.
    So they were compensated better than any other nation after WW2, which is just as they also suffered most
    Nope. Germany never paid compensation to Poland.
    http://www.dw.de/dw/article/0,,1324630,00.html
    The lower house of the Polish parliament voted unanimously on Friday to seek compensation from Germany for damages suffered during World War II. The resolution passed with a vote of 328-0, with one abstention.

    Should Germany be forced to pay reparations, the cost could exceed €525 billion ($640 billion), according to the latest estimates.
    It's an old news, but the issue remains open.

    Of course the industry was largely dismantled by the USSR
    Most Polish industry was dismantled or destroyed by Germany during the occupation, not by USSR.

    but still the basic requirements were there and the Poles made something out of it as we see today.
    Poland today is in worse economic situation compared to Western Europe than it was before the war(comparing it in 1939 to western Europe in 1939). Economically and demographically Poland never recovered from German extermination attempt and losses inflicted by Germans.

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    Hey Mr. Patatohead, stop trolling and spewing your Poland #1!!11 **** here.

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    Exact fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCR View Post

    Must. Resist. Troll.
    And as it can be seen you have no arguments. As expected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustBrowsing View Post
    And as it can be seen you have no arguments. As expected.
    WTF?
    The stuff you quoted was there for about 30 seconds until I edited it.
    You monitor this thread in real time? Your F5 key must be pretty worn out

    Get a life man! I don't know where you are in Poland but from my experiences (Lodz, Warsaw) you can do a lot of better things on a Saturday in a polish city than flame wars with germans

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    Good Lord, a Pole who plays the victome role. Who would have thought?

    Note: No one cares for guys who take the morale high ground from the losers positions. Its like the guy who gets no *****, the one who gets bullied all the time in school and cries about the bad bad world and how much better he is than anybody else not realizing that he is the real loser in life.

    If I were a Pole I would be ashamed of you. Fortunately, most younger Poles think way better of themselves, looking at Germany with a kind of confidence and respect who try to live an ordinary life for their own future.

    You Sir, are the real historic loser. You Sir, have no future in Poland or anywhere else beside internet forums trolling threads.

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    What's going on here?

    Too bad StormzSTA is banned, he would make good comment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hastati View Post

    Too bad StormzSTA is banned
    Too bad, hope he comes back, this forum isn't the same without him

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustBrowsing View Post
    The Nazis wanted to exterminate physically Poles, not base their history on peace and condemnation of racism and nationalism.
    Germans are free to base their historical heroes on those who resisted nationalism and Nazism like Wehrmacht deserters or champions like Fritz Kolbe.
    Hey Polandball in case you didnt notice we dont have any kind of national heroes.


    You are a bad troll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustBrowsing View Post
    It seems that soon you will join me
    As matter of interest and a way to balance your claims, how many Poles who were very pro-active in Communist period politics & policy continued on in politics after the country became free from Communism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hastati View Post
    What's going on here?

    Too bad StormzSTA is banned, he would make good comment.
    Banned? Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
    Last edited by Hollis; 03-10-2012 at 11:43 AM. Reason: oops pressed wrong button

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyon View Post
    Hey Polandball
    Speaking of which

    Ideal:



    reality

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