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    Coast Guard Commandant Adm. Robert Papp told lawmakers last week that he has talked with Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Norton Schwartz about the feasibility of transferring C-27Js to the sea service. The Coast Guard is conducting a business case analysis of transferring the cargo haulers.

    http://www.navytimes.com/news/2012/0...j-deal-031112w

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    Yeah, but where will this leave the Army?

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    ****ed, but that would happen anyway. I'd rather the Coasties get them than sell them off to someone else for pennies on the dollar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSumner View Post
    Yeah, but where will this leave the Army?
    Well, without C-27J of course. Afaik it was decided that the Army should rely on the USAF C-130s.

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    I like that they are looking at keeping them "in house" so to speak instead of handing them off to some ally who is too cheap to pay for their own defense.

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    @HKDan....ouch! but true

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    I think there are larger issues.
    Since the USAF wanted to dump the C-27, Australia is now re-considering its FMC order from Lockheed.

    The Aussies don't want to be a one off customer stuck with a C-27 fleet with limited spares and inter-operability. They had enough of that experience with the Caribou.

    I guess the USAF touched several political nerves and are pushing the USCG to have them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steak-Sauce View Post
    Well, without C-27J of course. Afaik it was decided that the Army should rely on the USAF C-130s.
    It was decided by the AF, after they ****ed the Army over and tried to kill the program.

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    HKDan: Alenia has declined to offer support for the C-27's if the US sold them to another country. For aircraft, manufacturer support is, as you know, crucial.

    "Canadian officials quietly expressed interest, according to defence sources, but the company's (Alenia) president warned the Pentagon that if the fleet was sold off to another country, it would refuse to service them." from The Canadian Press Mar. 9, 2012

    Other countries that Alenia is marketing the C-27 to have to money to pay for new airframes. Both Australia and Canada who are some of the US's closest allies and are not "too cheap to pay for their own defense." were/are interested in the C-27. I trust you were not referring to these allies as "too cheap to pay for their own defense."

    Alenia is only offering the USAF the same level of support that US armament manufacturers have countless times offered to other countries, if military equipment is sold without manufacturer permission, they will not support it.

    Now that the reverse has occurred for the USAF, I understand, it may be difficult to appreciate.

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    If the USAF refuses to buy, then Airbus gets the contracts.

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    Ok i'm having a hard time in understanding this ! Is the C27a good platform ? It is usefull to the AF/Army/CG whoever?

    Why are they running away from it ?

    And why would they believe the C-130 does a better job at it ? Isn't the C-130 a bigger plane ?

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    One ally that they can sell it too that Alenia might actually rethink their stance is the Philippines. We have Helicopters from Agusta, Trainer fleets from SIAI, so maybe the Italian government can pressure Alenia if the C27's were sent to the Philippines. HEll we are currently looking at the AMX and RADARS from that country... win win.

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    So the USCG needs another plane between the Herky and the HC-144īs? Donīt think so

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    Quote Originally Posted by junglejim View Post
    One ally that they can sell it too that Alenia might actually rethink their stance is the Philippines. We have Helicopters from Agusta, Trainer fleets from SIAI, so maybe the Italian government can pressure Alenia if the C27's were sent to the Philippines. HEll we are currently looking at the AMX and RADARS from that country... win win.
    But the C-295 is cheaper due to the larger numbers and manufacture support.
    If the USAF refuses them, then nations will rethink the C-27 and opt for the C-295.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ordie View Post
    But the C-295 is cheaper due to the larger numbers and manufacture support.
    If the USAF refuses them, then nations will rethink the C-27 and opt for the C-295.
    well yeah there is that so quit a predicament. Unless the Us pulls it weight with Canada and other allies to soothe Alenia

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