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Arboby, even if he was Martian, it seems that to some Polish people the current nationality is not the issue here.
Eastern European topic is eastern european...
That's my almost direct ancestor, according to family' genealogical research. Judging by the list of families there it's no wonder that those desecrators missed the fact. OR that was the whole purpose of it.. gotta bring my old tinfoil hat back I think.Originally Posted by Musashi
You are a sensible person. Your comments in Euro 2012 are also well-thought out.
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Seriously, I love history, but both Poles and Lithuanians should try to use less history and more common sense.You are a sensible person. Your comments in Euro 2012 are also well-thought out.
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History is all nice but if abused for present day political gains it is nothing more than propaganda.
And that applies to both sides and in fact all of eastern Europe.
Western Europe probably forget too much of its history but in eastern Europe you have the opposite problem
History is not a battering ram.
I guess we can close this now that JCR has unloaded his traditional dump in a Polish/Baltic thread (although rightly so this time).
No money to hire guards to all graves we have, senior
Polish Sir, I do not believe it's genuine money, please send me couple of them as a proof.See how we treat Lithuanian rulers in Poland. We place them on our banknotes:
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Sorry to break Your dreams, but Lithuanians are much stronger fighters and brawl would be one-sided.I wish we played football with Lithuania in the same group during Euro 2012. There would have been much bigger brawl in Warsaw than it was with the Russians.
Here is the proof of our strength in skill not numbers. P.S. Our hooligans are the ones on horses (common transportation, but could be used in a fight too.)
It's not JUST about history. It's about being civilised or not.
For example, the original German anthem is in a Polish library. Polish communists were not uncivilised enough to destroy it, although the Germans destroyed a plenty of Polish artifacts during WWII.
Some things simply should not be done. One of them is vandalising other nations' rulers' graves. Perhaps very few German soldiers survived the Soviet captivity, after being taken PoWs in Stalingrad, but General Paulus did. Even the Soviets knew some things should not be done. Unfortuanately, the Lithuanians don't.
It's just one grave.
No surprise, you cannot identify it properly, as your first university was founded as soon as in 1922
Just horses? You've forgotten the guns
I agree, sometimes your horse skills were really impressive, as it happened on 27th September 1605:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kircholm
However, in most cases, we had to save your ass, as quality did not always match the quantity and even your quality was not stable. You were as good as bad. Very far from generally bad, but unpredictable.
Wow, so it only took those damn underdeveloped Lithuanian untermenschen a couple of years of independence to open their own universities?Perhaps they were. No issue with that. It's widely-known, Old Belarussian was an official language in The Grand Duchy of Lithuania. Not very surprising, as they could not even write at that time, that's why their first university was founded as soon as in 1922 (is it Europe's record?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vytautas_Magnus_University
The first university on their territory was founded by Stephan Bathory, a Polish king, who was actually Hungarian, in 1579
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vilnius_University
Anyway, they consider Gediminas their hero and his symbol is the symbol of Lithuania, while we have his grandson on 100 zloty, in Poland.
I wonder how many Polish-speaking/writing universities were you allowed to establish under German/Russian occupation? Seriously, as a Pole one could think you'd know better...
As for Gediminas, I'm fairly sure if we were to set out and DNA test all European rulers from early 14th century we'd find plenty of foreign heritage in each and every one of them so not sure what's your point here.
Gooby please, anyone can use Instagram now and put .jbg in any website. If You stand by Your words, send me couple of banknotes which will undergo authenticity test in Western Union laboratory. Of course they will be returned right after I finish verifying them. Until now - It's just empty words.It's just one grave.
No surprise, you cannot identify it properly, as your first university was founded as soon as in 1922
Bold parts. I find them as an insult. We had russians on their knees begging for mercy.I agree, sometimes your horse skills were really impressive, as it happened on 27th September 1605:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kircholm
However, in most cases, we had to save your ass, as quality did not always match the quantity and even your quality was not stable. You were as good as bad. Very far from generally bad, but unpredictable.
I don't get you. You had been independent for a few hundred of years, just united with Poland, before Russia grabbed your lands. So why did not you do it before, as civilised countries did?
Did the Poles stop you or persecuted your language? No chance
Most Polish universities were founded before the German/Austrian/Russian occupation. You had a chance for that as well, as Poland had never been occupying you. We were the Commonwealth. You had your own army, treasury, etc.I wonder how many Polish-speaking/writing universities were you allowed to establish under German/Russian occupation? Seriously, as a Pole one could think you'd know better...
Yes, a few Polish universities were allowed to operate under Austrian occupation, although they had been founded a lot time before we were occupied:
i. Uniwersytet Jagielloński in Krakow (yes, Jagiellonski, that's the Lithuanian dynasty)
ii Uniwersytet Lwowski in Lwow (presently in the Ukraine)
The most surprising information for you is, The University of Warsaw was established by a Russian tsar.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniwersytet_Warszawski
Your knowledge is not very impressive.
As you mentioned the Western Union shiite, I'm sure now you live in the UK. The trick with WU is very popular here.
Sure, especially during the Russo-Polish War in 1654-1667 (-> Poland, please help us, as Russia took all our territory):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-P...2%80%931667%29
I'd be sort of offended if, for example, Lithuanian government organized desecration of that grave.
Now, if it was just a few fools who did it all I can say is there are idiots in every country.
And please, don't call Piłsudski Our Great Leader. This is not North Korea.
It was a knife in our backs. A bloody treason. We never done that to Poland neither to any ally we had.
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