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    My problem with John Kerry

    THE JERUSALEM POST Sep. 4, 2004

    My father taught me early on that it was best to avoid both religion
    and politics. As a rabbi, I violated his first commandment big-time.
    Now I have to transgress the second as well.

    As the American presidential election approaches, I cannot help but
    weigh in on the import of this decision, and the ramifications it has
    not only for us, but for every citizen of the free world.

    I admit: I am biased. I grew up in Chicago, ruled for decades by the
    mighty Daley Democratic machine, whose motto "vote early, vote often"
    was taken literally by its hordes of election workers.

    The Dems had a lock on Jewish voters, and Jewish Republicans were
    about as popular as an "Indians for Custer" fan club.

    But I was a contrarian. I idealistically believed that you should
    vote for the best man or woman for the job; it couldn't be that the
    Democrat was always the more skilled, and the Republican always the
    incompetent.

    The person, not the party, ought to rule.

    Well, I still feel that way. I know I'm in the minority among my
    co-religionists, whose knee-jerk practices at the polls stem either
    from grossly over-sentimental fantasies about FDR, or the belief that
    the Democrats espouse a "kinder, gentler" philosophy that is more
    akin to Jewish values.

    But I prefer to look beyond the slogans, to the substance.

    And I like President Bush. I like the way he has conducted himself in
    the face of a blistering firestorm of anti-American sentiment. I
    identify with his situation, because it's exactly the same one we
    Israelis face.
    We, too, are blamed for all the ills of society, from the security
    fence to the weather. And if we are unfairly criticized, then it's
    easy to accept that Bush is also being made the fall guy by the real
    villains of the world.

    Now, I have no strong opinion about Kerry. He's an untested, unknown
    quantity about whom it's tough to paint a truly definitive picture.
    But I am bothered by two things: First, early on in his campaign
    (before his horrified spin doctors shut him up), Kerry talked about
    naming as special Middle East envoys Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton,
    the two ex-presidents who may have done us the most harm in history.

    Carter - arguably the pea-nuttiest prez of the 20th century -
    consistently blames Israel as the aggressor, and the Arabs as the
    victims, in his twisted view of the Mideast struggle. He even went so
    far as to say that while he and Egyptian president Anwar Sadat richly
    deserved their Nobel peace prizes, Menachem Begin - who ceded a land
    mass to Egypt larger than Israel itself - was "stubborn and
    dogmatic," and should never have been given the award.

    Big Bill, on the other hand, had a different tactic. He consistently
    expressed his passionate love for the Jewish state. In fact, he
    almost loved us to death, continually nudging us to give and give and
    give, until there would be nothing left of Israel to even give away.

    And until Yasser Arafat rudely rejected Clinton's overtures at Camp
    David, the arch-terrorist was the White House's most frequent foreign
    visitor.

    Second, I am appalled at the legions of anti-Semites who prefer Kerry
    to Bush. Every Jew-hating, Israel-bashing nut-case is outside Madison
    Square Garden screaming for not only Bush's head, but Israel's skin.

    And while Kerry may not be encouraging these flakes of the far Left,
    I sure haven't seen him condemning them, either. If so many would-be
    destroyers of Israel detest Bush, it tells me he must be doing
    something right.

    But I not only admire Bush for what he's done - identify evil,
    condemn Palestinian terrorism, refuse to allow Arafat into Washington
    - I also respect him for what he hasn't done.

    He hasn't condemned the security fence, the closures or the targeted
    killings of terrorist leaders.

    He hasn't continually conned us into capitulating; he hasn't demanded
    we do nothing in the face of attacks on our population; and he hasn't
    insisted we give away the store in return for worthless promises from
    despicable criminals.

    "If a word is worth one coin," say the Sages, "then silence is worth
    two."

    Bush's silence, his conscious decision to leave us alone to fight our
    own battles and confront the enemy on our own terms, should be sweet
    music to our ears. With so many self-appointed prophets telling us
    what to do or not do, it is an absolute pleasure to have an American
    leader who knows the art of being quiet.

    I'm not saying that Bush is a saint. But considering the field, I'd
    much rather have a Bush than a bushwhacker.


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    Second, I am appalled at the legions of anti-Semites who prefer Kerry
    to Bush. Every Jew-hating, Israel-bashing nut-case is outside Madison
    Square Garden screaming for not only Bush's head, but Israel's skin.
    John Kerry is Jewish. His grandfather changed the family name to escape the anti-semitism in this country at the time. Kerry's real name is Kohn. Did you really not know that, Sayaret?

    Kerry doesn't represent those hippie useful idiots, no major figure in US politics does. But also, don't try to portray the anti-Iraq war movement as all being hippies or anti-semites.

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    Actually Kerry is Catholic.

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    John Kerry is Jewish. His grandfather changed the family name to escape the anti-semitism in this country at the time. Kerry's real name is Kohn. Did you really not know that, Sayaret?

    Kerry doesn't represent those hippie useful idiots, no major figure in US politics does. But also, don't try to portray the anti-Iraq war movement as all being hippies or anti-semites.
    OB

    I didn't write the article I just thought it was interesting so don't tell me that I'm wrong about something in it. Now reply to what you wrote John Kerry is not Jewish, he doesn't even say he's Jewish he says he's Catholic. To my knowledge besides John Kerry's grandfather no one in his family practicing Judaism.

    The author of this article didn't say Kerry represented those hippies, he said he didn't support them and that he most be doing something right to have some many of them support him.

    And while Kerry may not be encouraging these flakes of the far Left,
    I sure haven't seen him condemning them, either. If so many would-be destroyers of Israel detest Bush, it tells me he must be doing something right.

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    Not long after John Kerry was born, the family settled in Massachusetts. Growing up there, his parents taught him the values of service and responsibility and the blessings of his Catholic faith, lessons John Kerry carries with him to this day.
    From: http://www.johnkerry.com/about/john_kerry/bio.html

    Nice one OB

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    hes part of the zionist conspiracy right OB?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sayeret
    Now reply to what you wrote John Kerry is not Jewish, he doesn't even say he's Jewish he says he's Catholic. To my knowledge besides John Kerry's grandfather no one in his family practicing Judaism.
    Kerry is a practicing Catholic and descendant of Jewish grandparents.


    http://www.jewishsf.com/bk030207/us02.shtml
    http://judaism.about.com/od/jewishge...wpas_kerry.htm
    http://detroit.jewish.com/modules.ph...ticle&sid=1207

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hot Lips
    Quote Originally Posted by Sayeret
    Now reply to what you wrote John Kerry is not Jewish, he doesn't even say he's Jewish he says he's Catholic. To my knowledge besides John Kerry's grandfather no one in his family practicing Judaism.
    Kerry is a practicing Catholic and descendant of Jewish grandparents.


    http://www.jewishsf.com/bk030207/us02.shtml
    http://judaism.about.com/od/jewishge...wpas_kerry.htm
    http://detroit.jewish.com/modules.ph...ticle&sid=1207
    "Practicing" is barely applicable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FallenAngel
    Quote Originally Posted by Hot Lips
    Quote Originally Posted by Sayeret
    Now reply to what you wrote John Kerry is not Jewish, he doesn't even say he's Jewish he says he's Catholic. To my knowledge besides John Kerry's grandfather no one in his family practicing Judaism.
    Kerry is a practicing Catholic and descendant of Jewish grandparents.


    http://www.jewishsf.com/bk030207/us02.shtml
    http://judaism.about.com/od/jewishge...wpas_kerry.htm
    http://detroit.jewish.com/modules.ph...ticle&sid=1207
    "Practicing" is barely applicable.
    Pro-choice mutherfuker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chauncy republicans
    Quote Originally Posted by FallenAngel
    Quote Originally Posted by Hot Lips
    Quote Originally Posted by Sayeret
    Now reply to what you wrote John Kerry is not Jewish, he doesn't even say he's Jewish he says he's Catholic. To my knowledge besides John Kerry's grandfather no one in his family practicing Judaism.
    Kerry is a practicing Catholic and descendant of Jewish grandparents.


    http://www.jewishsf.com/bk030207/us02.shtml
    http://judaism.about.com/od/jewishge...wpas_kerry.htm
    http://detroit.jewish.com/modules.ph...ticle&sid=1207
    "Practicing" is barely applicable.
    Pro-choice mutherfuker.
    How dare he think women have a right to chose if they keep their baby.

    This may sound strange to people who have read alot of my posts. I'm generally pretty conservative on most issues. This is an exception. I think women should have a right to chose. But I do think late term abortions are wrong. But it's still not a big enough issue for me to not support Pres. Bush.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scm77
    Quote Originally Posted by chauncy republicans
    Quote Originally Posted by FallenAngel
    Quote Originally Posted by Hot Lips
    Quote Originally Posted by Sayeret
    Now reply to what you wrote John Kerry is not Jewish, he doesn't even say he's Jewish he says he's Catholic. To my knowledge besides John Kerry's grandfather no one in his family practicing Judaism.
    Kerry is a practicing Catholic and descendant of Jewish grandparents.


    http://www.jewishsf.com/bk030207/us02.shtml
    http://judaism.about.com/od/jewishge...wpas_kerry.htm
    http://detroit.jewish.com/modules.ph...ticle&sid=1207
    "Practicing" is barely applicable.
    Pro-choice mutherfuker.
    How dare he think women have a right to chose if they keep their baby.
    Interesting diction. The term "baby" implies it's a living person. Since when does any living person have the "right" to kill another person?

    I don't want to start a aboriton flame war, I just wanted to point out a psychological observation.

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    Ok, let me refrase it. A woman should have the right to chose if she keeps her fetus or not.

    The big debate really is "when does life begin?" Anti abortion people think it begins at conception. Pro choice people believe it begins later on.

    I also don't want to start a flame war though, so I think we should just leave this alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hot Lips
    Quote Originally Posted by Sayeret
    Now reply to what you wrote John Kerry is not Jewish, he doesn't even say he's Jewish he says he's Catholic. To my knowledge besides John Kerry's grandfather no one in his family practicing Judaism.
    Kerry is a practicing Catholic and descendant of Jewish grandparents.


    http://www.jewishsf.com/bk030207/us02.shtml
    http://judaism.about.com/od/jewishge...wpas_kerry.htm
    http://detroit.jewish.com/modules.ph...ticle&sid=1207
    Throughout Kerry's political career in Massachusetts, Kerry has presented himself as the nice Irish Catholic boy next door. I don't think he can tell a bagel from a donut.

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    Ok, let me refrase it. A woman should have the right to chose if she keeps her fetus or not.
    Oh!? Well what about a man? If you helped get a woman pregnant should'nt you have a say weather you want to keep the fetus or not? Men sure as hell do'nt have the right to choose, look at child support laws and the "dead beat dad act". What if I dont want to be bothered with a child or am not ready for one?

    Even if abortion was outlawed women would still have a choice...it's called abstinance. Only in the event of RAPE is a womens "right to choose" denied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chauncy republicans
    Ok, let me refrase it. A woman should have the right to chose if she keeps her fetus or not.
    Oh!? Well what about a man? If you helped get a woman pregnant should'nt you have a say weather you want to keep the fetus or not? Men sure as hell do'nt have the right to choose, look at child support laws and the "dead beat dad act". What if I dont want to be bothered with a child or am not ready for one?

    Even if abortion was outlawed women would still have a choice...it's called abstinance. Only in the event of RAPE is a womens "right to choose" denied.
    You too have a choice not to have to pay for a child... abstinance.

    OK here's where you all hammer me and kick me out of this forum:
    I know where you are coming from though. A guy should have some recourse to not paying if he doesn't want the child. I think revoking the fathers parental rights completely along with a mandatory *** ed/contraception course. And you only get to do this 3 times (3 strike rule) after that you start paying into a fund for all children you have produced because you failed to use adequate protection (no blaming the woman). And if you change your mind at any time during the first 18 years of the child's life and sue to get visitation rights or partial custody you automatically owe child support back to day 1. That sounds fair to me.

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