North Korea Building Bigger Longer Range Missile! Spotted by US Intel sats!
Source
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/...040300634.html
A government source here said U.S. reconnaissance satellites recently spotted a 40-m missile at a research and development facility in Pyongyang that is larger than the existing Taepodong-2 missile. "It remains uncertain whether this missile is functional or is just a life-sized mock-up," the official added.
If this is the case then the upcoming test in coming weeks could be for validation of new designs for the Norths ballistic missile program and to validate design concepts for the much longer range missile..
That would not be a wise move on their part. They can't even get a Taepodong-2 off the ground for more than a minute and their "communication satellite" test in 09 failed cause the third stage didn't separate. I'll wait for a successful test before I start worrying.Originally Posted by ISNJH
The thing about the last test was from what I heard was the North may have likely been testing the different stage separations and were not to concerned about the satellite reaching orbit since to them they were more interesting in how the stacking of stages worked out... also note the rocket that was launched in 1999 the photo's released of the launch the rocket had very large side stabilization fins, the rocket tested in 2006 had smaller side fins and the missile tested in 2009 had very very small side fins! the smaller the side fins the greater of accuracy of gyro and correction of rocket motors thrust is needed to ensure stable flight! the fact that the last launch went through the number of stages but did not reach orbit indicates the North has made some headway. it will be interesting to see if once the rocket is moved to the pad sometime this week and once pictures are released if the North Korea long range missile on this version even still has fins or not.
Once the North is able to build fin-less rockets it will be easier to refine the design to a refined missile delivery system.
Ah, I see. Never read about that. It's pretty obvious this is all just missile tests and not some "satellite". North Korea could give a damn about contributing to science or space exploration. Iran I could believe, NK, hell no.
Interesting...If this is the case then the upcoming test in coming weeks could be for validation of new designs for the Norths ballistic missile program and to validate design concepts for the much longer range missile..
Still there are no data about the rocket for the launch? Wikipedia staff list it as an Unha.... that's 32metres...
Maybe it's another improved/enlarged version.
I've read that the actual Unha that we know it's already larger and probably more powerful then the Iranian Simorgh (and that one managed to reach the orbit)
Have attached a picture showing the difference from the first generation of unha1 and unha-2 missiles and drastic change in fin size as the North seeks to streamline the missile, also the proper name for the unha in west classification is the taepodong-2.
Um... sorry, i may be wrong but..
I believed that Taepondong-1 + third stage with satellite = Unha-1
Taepodong-2 + third stage with satellite = Unha-2
Or also the military Taepodong-1/2 have the third stage? Wikipedia it's not very clear about this point..
So now we could see a sort of
"improved"Taepodong-2 + third stage for satellite = "improved"Unha-2 or Unha-3
The main thing i'm waiting however it's to see a first official photo of the rocket. Suggest to check daily the KCNA official site.
The only clear thing it's ... very few it's clear v.v
(However i was sort of pretty sure that the name "Unha" can be used for the Taepodong used for launching of satellite. Despite some western papers said, i think it's pretty true that they are actually trying to launch a satellite for propaganda reason. Obviously they are also happy to test the Taepodong at the same time, but i don't think that it's a "only military test" as someone say... it's both of them. )
Both the Military version Taepodong-1/2 aka Unha use 3 stages.. its the payload area at top nose section that maters,
If the North is able to remove the fins from the side rocket and achieve stable flight then the North Korean's rocket will be more streamlined and have less drag, after this its likely the north will increase the size of the first stage primary booster motor to increase the flight range.
DPRK issues most direct threat in days on state media, vows if "satellite" launch intercepted N. Korea will immediately retaliate with "merciless and annihilating strikes."
This further indication that the Subs have vanished may have orders to attack the Japanese aegis ships if Japan intercepts the rocket.
South Korea is tracking three to four North Korean submarines that disappeared after recently leaving two bases on the east coast, a South Korean military source said Wednesday.
The source said the submarines are presumed to be of the 370-ton class that the South Korean military has been unable to locate since they departed from two submarine bases on the east coast.
Another source said, “North Korea seems to be actively conducting submarine infiltration drills in the wake of warmer weather recently,” adding, “(The South Korean military) is closely watching the situation without ruling out the possibility of a provocation disguised as a drill.”
Seoul is preparing for a potential surprise attack by Pyongyang aimed at South Korean naval vessels or military bases, as the North has threatened to make strong provocations against the South while planning to launch a long-range rocket between April 12 and 16.
Moreover, the South predicts that the North is highly likely to catch the South off guard at a time when the latter`s military has concentrated its surveillance and strike force in areas near the Northern Limit Line, the de factor maritime border between the two Koreas, after the North sank a South Korean naval vessel in 2010.
Choi Yun-hee, the South Korean Navy`s chief of staff, told The Dong-A Ilbo last month that the North is highly likely to turn the South’s attention to the west coast and commit provocations on the east coast or in rear areas.
The North has 80 percent of its 70 to 80 submarines and submersibles ranging from 130 to 1,500 ton-class deployed on the east coast. It has large submarine bases in South Hamgyong Province.
Military authorities of South Korea and the U.S. monitor movement at the submarine bases. Once they depart from the bases and go under water, however, tracking the vessels down is difficult.
http://english.donga.com/srv/service...=2012040531968
That's quiet exaggerated they've probably sent some SangO just (as reporterd ISNJH) for possible retaliation if someone shot down the satellite.Seoul is preparing for a potential surprise attack by Pyongyang aimed at South Korean naval vessels or military bases, as the North has threatened to make strong provocations against the South while planning to launch a long-range rocket between April 12 and 16.
But considering that it is unlikely, they (both NK and SK) are making a fuss for nothing.
The main military things we will see and will have to evaluate it's if NK manage to reach the orbit (just for curiosity... in your opinion, they can do it? Iranian did... and the last time i've read that it was a problem with the final third stage to make a failure) and if the Japanese system manage to intercept some used stage and shot down / recover it. (As it was pointed out, i'm pretty sure they're more interested to recover it intact rather then destroy it...)
Yeah... good luck with that
I did not say they would succeed in attacking, but its a possilbity that the world must be willing to look at that the North may be willing to push things over the brink and openly attack the ships deployed in the east sea.
North Korea has issued a new warning, the North Korean goverment has stated any attempt by the countries that the booster falls into the water of to recover the rocket booster stages or debri will be viewed as an act of war and are to be left alone when they land..
http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/nort...01600315F.HTMLWhoever "intercepts the satellite or collects its debris will meet immediate, resolute and merciless punishment" from the North, the committee said in an English-language statement carried by its Korean Central News Agency late Thursday.
Yeah this further proves that this missile is just a peaceful satellite launch vehicle "rolls eyes" This statement indicates the North is worried the parts will be collected and looked at and perhaps could be proven this is no peaceful satellite launch.
It proves that they are keen to strike at everyone who would atempt to stop their sattelite launch. Every state would retaliate in the case.
Nothing unusual. The parts collection warning really means nothing. But no one can say for sure, it's obvius that every launch polishes a general technology. But I can guess that they're simply playing down a possible failure. If something goes awry they can always say that is an enemy attack.
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