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    Quote Originally Posted by C.Puffs View Post
    Must be nice to be building two types of ICBMs, an SLBM, an SSBN, researching yet another ICBM, and a strategic bomber and be able to tell the world, with a straight face, that you're reducing your nuclear weapons.
    Puffy, don't you understand the difference between add and replace? Those ICBMs,SBLMs,SSBNs and Strategic bombers are replacing the old ones. Russian has added a single missile to its existing stockpile of nuke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by African-European View Post
    Puffy, don't you understand the difference between add and replace? Those ICBMs,SBLMs,SSBNs and Strategic bombers are replacing the old ones. Russian has added a single missile to its existing stockpile of nuke.

    Of course I recognize the difference between the two. I also recognize the more important point of having running assembly lines verses trying to make 40 year old missiles keep working while your expertise and workforce withers away to nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C.Puffs View Post
    Perhaps you could provide some examples?
    you should spend less time on the internet and more time reading books. one example would be Nixon and China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C.Puffs View Post
    No, just the man at the wheel.

    By now you should understand that what he wants or thinks isn't the end of all things, the presidents personal opinion can guide a process however the process is based on facts. Issues regarding defense and security are not something the president dreams up himself. For example the president may want to close Guantanamo but when you take office facts might be presented that force you to reconsider, this happens in any country. "Giving" information to the Russians wasn't something he himself came up with.Its part of some strategy devised deep within the pentagon with experts who know whats to gain and loose.

    Have a little faith and if not look at the countries history there is nothing new going on.

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    Ok, so Medvedev got reach, but Obama will have more flexibility! (Damn you, Mass Effect! ) Sorry, couldn't resist.
    I'm kind of skeptic about proposed tactical weapons cuts. There is no such effective means of control like in case of strategic weapons. There is always a chance what the partner/adversary have some hidden stockpiles. Nuclear artillery shells, tactical missiles warheads, cruise missiles is too small, don't reqire a complex storage infrastrucure, easily transportable and can be fielded in just few hours. If ageement would be signed, it will be just a worthless piece of paper (just like the "New START", btw).

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    You guys might forgot, but Medvedev is a goner too.

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    [SIZE=2][FONT=verdana][*******#000000]I’d be happy to give up European BDM’s for a free pass to drop MOP’s. [/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE]

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    Quote Originally Posted by C.Puffs View Post
    Of course I recognize the difference between the two. I also recognize the more important point of having running assembly lines verses trying to make 40 year old missiles keep working while your expertise and workforce withers away to nothing.
    The workforce is not withering away. America's Trident line is still open and building at a steady rate, and the brains behind Peacekeeper still work on commercial vehicles. Minuteman IIIs are tested regularly to make sure they work and that we're still maintaining them, one was launched in February. They also just completed a major upgrade in 2009 which replaced their solid booster fuel. Ground-Based Missile defense uses silo and booster technology which is very similar to that of ICBMs. New solid booster programs including SM-3 Block II and the Space Launch System's Block II upgrade are keeping the technology moving forward.

    Russia, by the way, had to raid their retirement homes to get those missile programs on track, and the performance of more than one is still suspect. And a series of quality-control failures in their largely military-run Space Program could be a warning sign for their strategic weapons.

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    [*******#111111][FONT=Lucida Grande]The headline in the largest Polish tabloid, Fakt: “Were they trading Poland? Puzzling Obama talk with Medvedev about the missile shield.”[/FONT][/COLOR]
    http://www.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeedpoli...rattles-poland

    [SIZE=4]Barack Obama doesn't care about Pole people. [/SIZE]

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    Quote Originally Posted by liberal cl View Post
    http://www.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeedpoli...rattles-poland

    [SIZE=4]Barack Obama doesn't care about Pole people. [/SIZE]
    "Fakt" as a source of anything? This is "The" Sun level paper... Nothing to see there...

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    Quote Originally Posted by C.Puffs View Post
    Perhaps you could provide some examples?

    [*******#000000][FONT=Lucida Grande]“The Beschloss-Talbott book directly quotes Bush as telling Gorbachev in 1987 that in the coming presidential campaign he would be saying things in his speeches that would displease Gorbachev but that Gorbachev should disregard. He had to make such speeches, Bush said, because of “the marginal intellectual thugs” around President Reagan.”[/FONT][/COLOR]
    ...........

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    Quote Originally Posted by C.Puffs View Post
    Hopefully he doesn't get another atomic wedgie and his lunch money stolen this time. Last time it ended up that we cut weapons while Russia builds more. Hardly a "deal" if you ask me. (Unless you're Russian of course.) Maybe Barry's hoping that if he gets a 2nd term it will come with a 2nd Nobel Peace Prize.
    You conveniently do forget that nuclear disarmament is a requirement under the NPT you signed and under which you wish to bomb Iran?
    And what build-up? As another poster wrote, Russia has REPLACED warheads and still the number Russia fields is shrinking, as they can't afford to keep up the numbers.

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    Now this is my first post on here so forgive any naivity but im keen to get involved.
    It doesnt seem to me like anything Obama would do could compromise US national security, with that armada of advisors etc. that he has. Maybe Obama wants to save any plans he has for deals on Russia involved with arms/ strategic weapons after the election so he can make some vote winning promises in regards to foreign relations in his campaign?

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    What is more disgusting is his physical demeanor while interacting with Medvedev. He clearly takes a position of superiority when leaning over, grasping his arm as a sign of "dont worry, I am in control here; recognize this". Its very disgusting professional behavior and his comments back that up aside from it being true "in election year". So he is basically saying he will reverse whatever he says now just to appease the masses (US Citizens).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halidon View Post
    The workforce is not withering away.
    You're obviously not involved in it.

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