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    sorry about that your right.

    thank god we can still continue the tradition of people going bankrupt from major illnesses, companies denying coverage for pre-existing conditions, and setting lifetime caps.

    freedom won guys, i'm sure competition can get rid of these nasty attributes of the current healthcare system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justin84 View Post
    sorry about that your right.

    thank god we can still continue the tradition of people going bankrupt from major illnesses, companies denying coverage for pre-existing conditions, and setting lifetime caps.

    freedom won guys, i'm sure competition can get rid of these nasty attributes of the current healthcare system.
    How is making healthcare more expensive a good thing because it makes it cheaper? Explain that nonsensical belief.

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    I didn't mention anything about costs. But if you are okay with these practices because it keeps cost lower (even though they keep rising every year) then i guess the healthcare system is fine in your eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justin84 View Post
    I didn't mention anything about costs. But if you are okay with these practices because it keeps cost lower (even though they keep rising every year) then i guess the healthcare system is fine in your eyes.
    It is. I pay less now than I would under Obamacare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justin84 View Post
    I didn't mention anything about costs. But if you are okay with these practices because it keeps cost lower (even though they keep rising every year) then i guess the healthcare system is fine in your eyes.
    The costs are only lower for those that are lucky to be healthy and young. Anything happens, and suddenly your costs will skyrocket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C.Puffs View Post
    It is. I pay less now than I would under Obamacare.
    I though we are all under ObamaCare now, not fully yet, but the parts of the law are already implemented. And we do pay way more this year then we did last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eskachig View Post
    The costs are only lower for those that are lucky to be healthy and young. Anything happens, and suddenly your costs will skyrocket.
    It is like saying if your car breaks down, you will have to pay for repair. Some 50 or 60 yo are perfectly healthy, those that looked after their health. Why they should be forced to pay more? Also a number of people can self-insure, why do they have to pay more?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eskachig View Post
    The costs are only lower for those that are lucky to be healthy and young. Anything happens, and suddenly your costs will skyrocket.
    That's why you get insurance.

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    Something just seems wrong with the idea of someone going bankrupt due to a major illness. Or losing their sight because costs are too high.

    I guess its just one of those bad things in the world that we just deal with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justin84 View Post
    Something just seems wrong with the idea of someone going bankrupt due to a major illness. Or losing their sight because costs are too high.

    I guess its just one of those bad things in the world that we just deal with.
    Just because someone does not have access to something does not make it wrong. Going bankrupt means not discharging debt in court, and not paying creditors. What is wrong with that? It does not mean sticking it to the taxpayers

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    Quote Originally Posted by justin84 View Post
    Something just seems wrong with the idea of someone going bankrupt due to a major illness. Or losing their sight because costs are too high.

    I guess its just one of those bad things in the world that we just deal with.
    Think about that for 5 seconds. Everybody is going to die eventually, and unless you die by accident or just suddenly up and die, you're going to incur medical expenses along the way. Given the likely lifespan that's going to be a SIGNIFICANT percentage of the population. So why should those who have prepared, and can deal with it, be forced to foot the bill for all those who can't? There isn't enough money in the world to give everybody "free" healthcare.

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    True.

    I'm starting to see that side of the argument. Survival of the fittest.

    Though with that thinking, i'm guessing the majority of the people on the board would support getting rid of ssi, medicare, medicaid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justin84 View Post

    Though with that thinking, i'm guessing the majority of the people on the board would support getting rid of ssi, medicare, medicaid.
    No. Reform it to weed out fraud would be fine. Medicare and Medicaid is fine for the job it does to an extent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shermbodius View Post
    http://www.latimes.com/news/politics...,2058481.story

    Seems Obama care is on it's last legs.
    lol what are those idiot protesters praying for?

    "oh Jesus, let thy will be done and let us do what you would do and let thine uninsured brothern die a horrible painful death and even thine insured go into bankruptcy. Let thine children not be insured if they have the demons of preexisting conditions as they are children of the devil. But let us upper white middle class keep thy Medicaid and other entitlements that we deserve, amen."

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    Quote Originally Posted by C.Puffs View Post
    Think about that for 5 seconds. Everybody is going to die eventually, and unless you die by accident or just suddenly up and die, you're going to incur medical expenses along the way. Given the likely lifespan that's going to be a SIGNIFICANT percentage of the population. So why should those who have prepared, and can deal with it, be forced to foot the bill for all those who can't? There isn't enough money in the world to give everybody "free" healthcare.
    How do you define being illprepared? Yes we could stop smoking, having unprotected *** and stop eating fast food. But what about accidents? Like being hit by a car, beaten half to death by a jaloux ex-husband and other common accidents?

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