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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyusu View Post
    You compare burning cars to murdering people?
    Ruin lives and livelyhoods. Do that sh[*******"#000000"]i[/COLOR]t in Los Angeles and you'd be murdered by a mob. Unless the Lakers win, then it's cool.

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    Need help here. I would prefer to ask the question and learn, rather than live in ignorance....

    Being in the USA, to hear of the NPD and the "far right Democratic" faction..... is quite contradictory to "the far right republican", and the far left democratic party here. What happened here? Or there?

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    Maybe it's static at my end of the line but what exactly were you asking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ljrmisty View Post
    Need help here. I would prefer to ask the question and learn, rather than live in ignorance....

    Being in the USA, to hear of the NPD and the "far right Democratic" faction..... is quite contradictory to "the far right republican", and the far left democratic party here. What happened here? Or there?
    You did honestly think that "democratic" means leftist?

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    Ok. Bear with me. On the BBC article, at the end of the first paragraph she states "The Far Right Democratic Party or NPD"

    In the USA, the far right is ONLY REPUBLICAN, and the left is only Democratic.

    My specific question is: What is the difference between the two?

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    Geez. Trying to learn here. In the USA.... Democratic is Liberal, leftist and on and on. This article says.... ah, never mind. I'm a fool for asking and baring my ignorance. Go back to sleep. Sorry. Nothing here

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    Far left and far right are the same thing, I don't understand why you care about distinguishing between them. The Nazis, for example, were National Socialists.

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    The US of A basically have a two party system even though sometimes a Republican candidate may be more left-leaning than a Democrat, and vice versa. However, we have five parties in our Lower House alone. So its rather difficult to set off American parties against German ones. "Democratic" is used in the original sense of the word here and not meant to denote any certain party.

    USA/ Germany

    Left Wing of the Democrats/ Social Democratic Party of Germany
    Rigt Wing of the Democrats/ Christian Democratic Union [*******#0000cd](Merkel's Party)[/COLOR]
    Left Wing of the Republicans/ Christian Democratic Union
    Right Wing of the Republicans [*******#696969](minus Christian points of view)[/COLOR]/ Free Democratic Party
    Democratic Socialists of America [*******#696969]or [/COLOR]Socialist Party USA/ The Left.
    Green Party USA/ Alliance 90 The Greens
    American Nazi Party [*******#696969]or[/COLOR] National Socialist Movement/ National Democratic Party of Germany

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    I care because I vote and I want my vote to be an informed vote. In the USA there is a profound difference between the left and the right. I care to distinguish between them because the Republican Right accuses the Democratic Left of wanting more and bigger Government, when the reality is that the Democratic Left simple wants the Government to do it's frikkin job. Not bigger, not smaller, just do it's job. Ya know, stop signs, police, fire fighters, good schools, good highways. Simple stuff. The stuff that Governments are made of.

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    Thank you so much. You have answered my question, exactly, by defining the deference between the 2 Countries. Please note that the DSA or Socialist Party USA, does not represent, in any way, the majority of the Left, any more than the Green Party or the National Socialist Movement.
    Regardless of my thoughts or beliefs on any of them, I will, as a Vet and a voting American, defend anyone's right to speak their peace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ljrmisty View Post
    I care because I vote and I want my vote to be an informed vote. In the USA there is a profound difference between the left and the right. I care to distinguish between them because the Republican Right accuses the Democratic Left of wanting more and bigger Government, when the reality is that the Democratic Left simple wants the Government to do it's frikkin job. Not bigger, not smaller, just do it's job. Ya know, stop signs, police, fire fighters, good schools, good highways. Simple stuff. The stuff that Governments are made of.
    Fair enough, but the word "democratic" in Germany's "National Democratic Party" doesn't mean anything. Like I said, in this case "democratic" is used in the original sense of the word and not to denote a connection with the given name of the American Democratic Party or any smiliarities between the two. The German NPD is anything but like your Democrats.
    Quote Originally Posted by ljrmisty View Post
    Thank you so much. You have answered my question, exactly, by defining the deference between the 2 Countries. Please note that the DSA or Socialist Party USA, does not represent, in any way, the majority of the Left, any more than the Green Party or the National Socialist Movement.
    Regardless of my thoughts or beliefs on any of them, I will, as a Vet and a voting American, defend anyone's right to speak their peace.
    I see. Well, you're welcome.

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    I will never be afraid to acknowledge my ignorance.....for ignorance is curable..... through knowledge and facts. But stupid is.... as stupid does. Thanks for the teachable moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piano View Post
    Far left and far right are the same thing, I don't understand why you care about distinguishing between them. The Nazis, for example, were National Socialists.
    ... Ooh you le didn't. What's in a name. So The DPRK is Democratic...I mean it's the Democratic Popular Republic of Korea?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piano View Post
    Far left and far right are the same thing, I don't understand why you care about distinguishing between them. The Nazis, for example, were National Socialists.
    Then you wouldnt want to live in a democracy, since you can see what a demcracy brings to a country in north korea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BLUE THOR View Post
    Yeah, not a sympathiser but the focus is always on the Nazis and the Far Right, how about some focus on Germany's other radicals as well, the ones who seem to get a free pass in the media, like the Far Left and to an extent the Radical Islamists. IMO the Far Left is as dangerous as the Far Right, but I guess a bunch of mad Lefties dont sell papers like some Mad Right wingers. As it says at the end of the short "news" report - this is a minority group. There are alot more Left Wingers who are equally violent and idealistic. bit of balance would be nice, so how about the BBC does a report on them too?

    I have this arguement with alot of people in Germany. Seems they are happy to ignore the Left wing shenanigans and focus on the Right wing because they are afraid of being seen as going backwards. Yeah, the right wing is there and the violent radicals need to be stopped, but it needs to happen right across the board, and not just with the Right wing.
    The right wing carries much more historical significance in Germany though, which is why it seems to be getting a swifter treatment. For that same reason, we also see the BBC writing articles about Naziism in Germany rather than in Belarus, for example. It's much more eye catching and has a higher chance of evoking the desired, emotional response.

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