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    Quote Originally Posted by medo View Post
    Hmm, don't you think, if Assad in Syria fall and biochemical WMD fall in hands of Al Qaida and other Wahabi terrorists from KSA, Qatar, UAE, ... that they will be far more dangerous than nukes in Iran?
    Yes, at least they would be as dangerous as Iran with a nuclear weapons. Some says the Hezzies already have chemicals rockets.

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    Iranian nuclear scientists were present at failed North Korean missile launch, says source

    Anonymous diplomatic source tells South Korea's state news agency 12 Iranian officials observed the failed missile launch last week in North Korea.


    By Barak Ravid

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-e...ource-1.424585

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    US lawmakers say Iran talks inadequate, urge more penalties

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    04/17/2012 00:19

    "US shouldn't mistake diplomatic developments for compliance with UNSC resolutions," Senator Kirk says; "We have five weeks to convince the Iran that (December) sanctions were only a first step," Senator Menendez says.


    WASHINGTON - US lawmakers on Monday pushed for more sanctions against Iran after talks between Tehran and global powers failed to stop Iran from developing its nuclear program.
    Although the talks between Iran, the United States and five other world powers were described as "constructive" by the European Union's foreign policy chief, Catherine Ashton, some US lawmakers said they were unimpressed.

    "The United States should not mistake positive diplomatic dialogue for compliance with United Nations Security Council resolutions," said a spokesman for Republican Senator Mark Kirk.
    Kirk and several other US legislators have been pressuring the White House to get tougher on Iran and are pushing for a range of additional penalties that would further isolate Iran and prevent it from trading with the rest of the world.

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    "We have five weeks to convince the Iranians that the sanctions we passed in December were only a first step," said Democratic Senator Robert Menendez, who along with Kirk helped design the sanctions that were signed into law in December.

    http://www.jpost.com/IranianThreat/N...aspx?id=266320

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    I disagree with one of main point of argumentation used here: perception that Iran, Hezzies or generally Shiiahs are crazy, lunatic, unprevedible and so on...
    Hezbollah is not some gang of loonies as Al Quaida or even Hamas, it not my personal impression but something I've heard stated by a lot of Israeli veterans, generals and diplomats.
    They are very well organized, excellent fighters, fanatically determined yet capable of long term planning, extremely ruthless in their methods but also capable to gain allies in multiparty and multiconfessional lebanese system , in other words the most capable opponent that Israel have ever faced.
    Iran is a regional power, with an effective capabilities in many tecnological and academic fields, a definite ideology and a (often excessively) complex system of shared government and not an oriental satrapy ruled by a more and less crazy or corrupt dictator like Saddam, Quaddafi or Mubarak or even worse the less- than-feudal gulf emirates that act as american allies at day and finance Wahabites and Salafites at night.

    No, you can surely depict them as evil to the bones, like mortal adversary of everything the West stand for and you will be (mostly) right, but to treat them like a unpredictable band of crazy loonies is definitely the worst error one can ever make.
    They are most probably the exact contrary of that fake image, they are cunning, cold-blooded planners with a molteplicity of long objectives and interest and with both the strategic depht of vision and the fanatical resolution to achieve them.

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    Ok, they are evil to the bones, instead of crazy.......as the 2 BA bombings show.

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    Barak: We made no promise not to attack Iran while talks go on

    Defense minister fears P5+1 sessions are wasting valuable time

    By RON FRIEDMAN

    Defense Minister Ehud Barak said Tuesday he believed international talks between Iran and the West over the Islamic Republic’s nuclear program risk wasting valuable time and that they won’t lead Iran to halt its nuclear weapons drive.
    When asked if Israel had promised the US not to attack Iran while international talks were still taking place, Barak said, “We didn’t promise anything.
    “We are not part of the international talks,” said the defense minister. “Our positions are known to the Americans.”

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    According to Barak, Israel is most concerned about limiting the Iranians’ uranium enrichment and wants to see the closure of the underground nuclear facility in Qom.
    “Our preference would be for them to completely halt enrichment, but low-grade enrichment, to a degree of 3.5 percent, presents no serious danger,” said Barak in an interview to Army Radio. “In order to prevent a repeat of what happened with Pakistan and North Korea, the starting points need to be made very clear.”

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/barak-f...-time-on-iran/

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    In the previous round of talks, 15 months ago, Ashton was dressed with a scoop-neck that was too deep for the Iranian press that had to photoshop her pictures of the event.






    This time, Ashton made some concessions to the morality norms of her Iranian partners to the talks and no photoshop work was needed.

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    They could have phtoshoped her face, she is fugly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Climber View Post
    Ok, they are evil to the bones, instead of crazy.......as the 2 BA bombings show.
    Seems I have to reiterate the concept:both Hetzbollah than in a much more greater scale Iranian republicare not some unpredictable bands of loonies that act in a sort of mistical exaltation in order to go all to Jadisty paradise but instead they are both proven able to make long term plans, to change their strategies and their intermediate goals (and Israel is just one of them, not the final one) both political than military, to motivate and mobilitate Shias all around the middle east and beyond, to estabilish political alliances with other parties (Hetzollah in lebanon), armed movements and foreign governments.
    Fact is that while all other parties involved in the question, even US and EU are trying to resolve the issue throught diplomatic means and a stiff tightening of sanctions, so recognising in Iran a rational interlocutor, it seems me instead that Israeli government itself is acting everyday more and more irrationally, maybe for personal paranoia of some of its components, maybe for a sort of self assuring confidence in their own military might.

    P. S. IDF obviously deserve a LOT of confidence but as Tallierand once said: with a sufficent numbers of bayonets a King can do quite anything, with the sole exception of sitting on them.

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    you said they are evil. and we know they are. evil people with nuclear weapons, what a grim prospect,,,,,,,,,,,

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    An excellent Op-Ed about the challenge of the P5+1 talks for Iran:




    Iran may get what it wants out of global nuclear tensions

    The essence of the American challenge to Tehran, subject to a Russian, Chinese and even a French veto in the UN Security Council, is to turn Tehran from an enemy into an adversary; to take its hostility down a notch to mere competition.


    By Amir Oren

    http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/iran-...sions-1.425731

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