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    Default NRA expands its role from fight for gun rights to conservative causes

    Washington (CNN) -- This week, Coca-Cola and Kraft announced they are pulling their corporate memberships from a conservative group that was behind the spread of "stand your ground" laws like the one highlighted in Florida by the Trayvon Martin case.

    The American Legislative Executive Council, also known as ALEC, is getting attention lately for its behind the scenes work pushing conservative legislation in the states.
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    the NRa should stick to guns

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    Quote Originally Posted by dacanadianbomb View Post
    the NRa should stick to guns
    Got a word for you to look up, bifurcate. It is used in law. Stand your ground, castle doctrine are all gun ownership issues and self defense issues. The shooting of Martin is another issue. Stand your ground/castle doctrine are to protect people who are forced into a situation where they have to defend themselves/home. The anti-gun people are basically ignore what happened to Martin to promote their own agenda. Even the Governor and Zimmerman's attorney stated "stand your ground" does not apply in the shoot of Martin. The defense would be something else, it would based on the right of self defense.

    So far, I would guess, 99% of the media focus on the Zimmerman/Martin case has very little to actually do with the case. There are other agenda that are being played out at the cost to Zimmerman and Martin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollis View Post
    Got a word for you to look up, bifurcate. It is used in law. Stand your ground, castle doctrine are all gun ownership issues and self defense issues...../snip/...
    This was my first reaction as well, but farther down in the article it does claim that the NRA was also active in pushing for Voter ID legislation & the Arizona immigration law. Unfortunately the source for the allegations is not exactly an unbiased source.

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    One lobbyist pushed for voter ID and that's supposed to be a concerted effort by the NRA for "conservative causes". Ok then.

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    Half of me really wants to support the NRA. I cherish the 2nd Amendment and admire their emphasis on safety training programs and competitive rifle shoots. But I am not a member b/c my dues would go to campaigns of politicians I might never otherwise support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rattfink View Post
    Half of me really wants to support the NRA. I cherish the 2nd Amendment and admire their emphasis on safety training programs and competitive rifle shoots. But I am not a member b/c my dues would go to campaigns of politicians I might never otherwise support.
    That is always a problem with any PAC. The more people in the group, the greater are the chances one will disagree with some of them. Heck, even some hard core pro-gun nuts considers the NRA to be too liberal. The NRA is politically attacked for one reason, they are effective. The ineffective PACs are generally ignored.

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    That one speech by its head on obama's "hidden agenda" was kinda disturbing though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollis View Post
    Got a word for you to look up, bifurcate. It is used in law. Stand your ground, castle doctrine are all gun ownership issues and self defense issues. The shooting of Martin is another issue. Stand your ground/castle doctrine are to protect people who are forced into a situation where they have to defend themselves/home. The anti-gun people are basically ignore what happened to Martin to promote their own agenda. Even the Governor and Zimmerman's attorney stated "stand your ground" does not apply in the shoot of Martin. The defense would be something else, it would based on the right of self defense.

    So far, I would guess, 99% of the media focus on the Zimmerman/Martin case has very little to actually do with the case. There are other agenda that are being played out at the cost to Zimmerman and Martin.
    well said Hollis. the stand your ground doctrine, means basically that you don't have a duty to retreat if some dude is coming after you with mayhem on his mind...even in your own home. Some states previously had laws that required you to to retreat, even in your own home (which to me is stupid).

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    Quote Originally Posted by rattfink View Post
    half of me really wants to support the nra. I cherish the 2nd amendment and admire their emphasis on safety training programs and competitive rifle shoots. But i am not a member b/c my dues would go to campaigns of politicians i might never otherwise support.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollis View Post
    That is always a problem with any PAC. The more people in the group, the greater are the chances one will disagree with some of them. Heck, even some hard core pro-gun nuts considers the NRA to be too liberal. The NRA is politically attacked for one reason, they are effective. The ineffective PACs are generally ignored.
    True. I am however giving the 2nd amendment Foundation a hard look. Anyone here a member with insight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by commanding View Post
    well said Hollis. the stand your ground doctrine, means basically that you don't have a duty to retreat if some dude is coming after you with mayhem on his mind...even in your own home. Some states previously had laws that required you to to retreat, even in your own home (which to me is stupid).
    Problem when the are conditions to defending your life/home, that could turn on victim and make them the criminal. If the DA decided the victim did not fulfill the requirements of self defense or ??, then the victim could be arrested and have to then defend themselves in a court of law. It is almost like the perps made the law, where the victim needs to accept their fate in life and be victimized.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rattfink View Post
    True. I am however giving the 2nd amendment Foundation a hard look. Anyone here a member with insight?
    I have heard good things. I am life/endowment member of the NRA, so sometimes, I have to bite the bullet too. Just like voting for a candidate, they may not support everything that I do, but they support the stuff that I consider to be more important.

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    The NRA should be the AAA of responsible gun ownership, the training of new gun owners, educating the public on gun safety, and the safe and confidential disposal of unregistered guns.

    The NRA should be apolitical as it may conflict it's members personal beliefs.

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