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    Quote Originally Posted by Chulo View Post
    And a dog. A big dog, not a purse dog
    But the purse dogs actually bite.


    Anything yippy and obnoxious enough to draw your attention to yell "who goes there" or something along that theme will serve for most occasions. Hell, my dumb half-feral cat freaking out usually lets me know when someone is at the door... or walking by... or a bird in the window... or rain...

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    I own a XD-9, really nice pistol. I put a TLR-3 light on it. had about 3,500 round went through in past 6 month, probably another 5,000 before end of year.

    but my main defense weapon is a Mossberg M590 shotgun, my opinion is that handgun is a transitional weapon before I could reach my rifle or shotgun.
    both have light and night sight for low-light shooting.

    I use Federal HST 147gr 9mm for self-defense, but use anything cheap for practice.

    Two other firearms I own are XDSC-9 and SU-16

    BTW, OP lives in CA right? CA prohibit importing XDM(not regular XD) without SSE or LEO, it will cost you about 100 more than other state.
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    Really, the tool doesn't matter as much as the effects. Blood out, air in is what wins the fight. Whoever or whatever does that the mostest the fastest is the victor.
    I would say that the training and the mindset to actually pull the trigger and make your fast accurate hits is far more important thatn XD vs Glock vs M&P, etc.

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    Another good option would be a pistol caliber carbine. Low recoil, cheap ammo, and better stability for aiming. The Keltec Sub2000 or the Hi Point 995 are good options. Others include the Ruger PC4/9, Marlin Camp 9/45, Beretta CX4 Storm, Taurus CT G2, MAC-11 based, and various AR based ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suhsjake View Post
    Another good option would be a pistol caliber carbine. Low recoil, cheap ammo, and better stability for aiming. The Keltec Sub2000 or the Hi Point 995 are good options. Others include the Ruger PC4/9, Marlin Camp 9/45, Beretta CX4 Storm, Taurus CT G2, MAC-11 based, and various AR based ones.
    That is a great suggestion, I have several and have a habit of forgetting about them. They are cheaper and fun to shoot and as you stated better stability than a pistol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lugiahua View Post
    I own a XD-9, really nice pistol. I put a TLR-3 light on it. had about 3,500 round went through in past 6 month, probably another 5,000 before end of year.

    but my main defense weapon is a Mossberg M590 shotgun, my opinion is that handgun is a transitional weapon before I could reach my rifle or shotgun.
    both have light and night sight for low-light shooting.

    I use Federal HST 147gr 9mm for self-defense, but use anything cheap for practice.

    Two other firearms I own are XDSC-9 and SU-16

    BTW, OP lives in CA right? CA prohibit importing XDM(not regular XD) without SSE or LEO, it will cost you about 100 more than other state.
    I do live in California. What is SEE/LEO and why is the XDM prohibited in CA?

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    Man needs a PKM

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    Forgot to mention before...in regards to 9mm vs .45 remember that most of the anecdotal stories from US Vets revolve around Hague Convention friendly FMJ ball ammunition. Modern expanding loads go a long way towards eliminating that gap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SgtCool View Post
    I do live in California. What is SEE/LEO and why is the XDM prohibited in CA?
    I don't know what a SEE is, but LEO means you are a law enforcement officer, which I am assuming you are not. Basically, bottom line, it is going to be next to impossible to buy an XDM in California before it gets put on the "approved handguns roster" that the CA DOJ keeps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SgtCool View Post
    I do live in California. What is SEE/LEO and why is the XDM prohibited in CA?
    A quick google search tells me that it's the magazine disconnect and high capacity magazine. The XD was grandfathered in which is why it is legal but the XDm is not.

    Apparently there is a way to do it if it is gifted to you by an out of state relative (NOT a straw purchase though). Or if you own one and move to CA. But you cannot purchase one and transfer one to the state through an FFL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suhsjake View Post
    Another good option would be a pistol caliber carbine. Low recoil, cheap ammo, and better stability for aiming. The Keltec Sub2000 or the Hi Point 995 are good options. Others include the Ruger PC4/9, Marlin Camp 9/45, Beretta CX4 Storm, Taurus CT G2, MAC-11 based, and various AR based ones.
    For straight home defense, maybe not. Pistol caliber rounds can have a bad habit of over penetration when fire out of a carbine length barrel. One of the reasons why a lot of tactical teams have gone away from SMGs to short rifle caliber carbines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trunk_munkey28 View Post
    For straight home defense, maybe not. Pistol caliber rounds can have a bad habit of over penetration when fire out of a carbine length barrel. One of the reasons why a lot of tactical teams have gone away from SMGs to short rifle caliber carbines.
    What would be a short rifle caliber round?

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    I think he just means short barreled rifles. I think that had more to do with the fact that an SBR is about the same size as an MP5, but considerably more powerful, which is important if the bad dudes have any sort of body armor. 5.56 is going to penetrate as much or more then 9mm any day. Thats how some SRT team guys I know explained it to me anyhow. where I'm at they've completely ditched the MP5's for AR variants or in the case of the department where I'm a part time deputy at, HK416's

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollis View Post
    What would be a short rifle caliber round?
    .22 short. Smart ass.
    Quote Originally Posted by crimsontide View Post
    I think he just means short barreled rifles. I think that had more to do with the fact that an SBR is about the same size as an MP5, but considerably more powerful, which is important if the bad dudes have any sort of body armor. 5.56 is going to penetrate as much or more then 9mm any day. Thats how some SRT team guys I know explained it to me anyhow. where I'm at they've completely ditched the MP5's for AR variants or in the case of the department where I'm a part time deputy at, HK416's
    For the most part, this. An 11.5" AR is roughly the same size as an MP5. However, 5.56 duty rounds generally exhibit less over penetration than pistol caliber rounds out of an SMG bbl. 5.56 green tip, maybe not so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trunk_munkey28 View Post
    For straight home defense, maybe not. Pistol caliber rounds can have a bad habit of over penetration when fire out of a carbine length barrel. One of the reasons why a lot of tactical teams have gone away from SMGs to short rifle caliber carbines.
    That is why they make hollow points and frangible rounds. There is always an adherent possibility with any rounds over penetrating, the key is to minimize that with using the proper type of ammunition.

    What in the world is a short rifle caliber caribine? Like the FN 5.7 or Tokarev?

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