Philippine warship in standoff with China vessels

[ISNJH]

What I want to know is why Chinese fishermen keep on fishing in the waters' of other countries? The Philippines are not the only country to encounter this issue, since Japan and South Korea also have to contend with this problem. What's pushing Chinese fishermen further out to sea? Could this stem from overfishing to the point that their fish populations are no longer sustainable within their own waters resulting in the movement to other fishing waters? Maybe China simply has too many fishermen to occupy its own waters?

Considering China's large population there is some merit, since they don't have the fish populations substantial enough to feed the population and god forbid they have to buy food from other countries to feed their own people, which would show a sign of dependence or weakness depending on one's point of view.

Another possibility is China using employing these fishing vessels as a discrete means of expanding their territory by trying to establishing or enforce some kind of precedence. One can only do so much when a country begins spamming your fishing waters constantly with overwhelming numbers of their own fishing vessels. They were probably hoping for an aggressive move against some their fishing vessels (I'm referring to the recent confrontation between the Chinese fishing boat and Philippine authorities a few weeks ago) as an excuse to to send escorts into the region.

One report I read is that China has over fished their waters, so that the number of fish is drasticly lower then in other area so that Chinese fishermen are having to look to further afield to be able to bring in enough catch to remain profitable.

[Pukewarm]

One report I read is that China has over fished their waters, so that the number of fish is drasticly lower then in other area so that Chinese fishermen are having to look to further afield to be able to bring in enough catch to remain profitable.

the above is true in cases/incidents surrounding the seas near Korean/Japanese waters

but i find it hard to believe when they fish at say, Indonesia's Natuna (get a map to see where it is) or like this episode of Philippines waters, backed up all the way by their own CG cutters

[Laworkerbee]

One report I read is that China has over fished their waters, so that the number of fish is drasticly lower then in other area so that Chinese fishermen are having to look to further afield to be able to bring in enough catch to remain profitable.

Asian fishing boats are a a scourge.

[fadine]

At Philippines, with Chinese fishing boats have Chinese fishery control. They come here not for fishs, it is only for make South China sea become "fisheries traditional" of China, then ...

[Astaran]

Wonder when the Chinese will lay claim on "territorial waters" in the Caribbean or Mediterranean Sea...

[Ordie]

Wonder when the Chinese will lay claim on "territorial waters" in the Caribbean or Mediterranean Sea...

Wherever they find Ming Dynasty porcelain on some forgotten atoll.

[Astaran]

Wherever they find Ming Dynasty porcelain on some forgotten atoll.

Their Great Fleet sailed as far as Africa once. Be ready to be invaded Somalia!

[Holmes85]

At Philippines, with Chinese fishing boats have Chinese fishery control. They come here not for fishs, it is only for make South China sea become "fisheries traditional" of China, then ...

Another possibility is China using employing these fishing vessels as a discrete means of expanding their territory by trying to establishing or enforce some kind of precedence. One can only do so much when a country begins spamming your fishing waters constantly with overwhelming numbers of their own fishing vessels. They were probably hoping for an aggressive move against some their fishing vessels (I'm referring to the recent confrontation between the Chinese fishing boat and Philippine authorities a few weeks ago) as an excuse to to send escorts into the region.

Looks like my last guess or question was on the mark.^ Though with the fishing industry is a critical part for many of the countries that China is infringing upon with their expansionist policies through the fishing industry. The Philippines alone may not have the naval power to stand-up against the Chinese. However, this issue has repercussions for many other nations that depend on the same industry. I would not be surprised if a number these countries started forming a coalition with one another to protect their industry and way of life.

I don't know the naval strength of each country in terms of numbers or class of vessels, but a united front is better than a divided front despite the numbers, since it demonstrates a resolve to not back down despite the odds. Furthermore, the more ships one has out patrolling seas from various countries for Chinese fishermen will only isolate serve to isolate them.

[Silent Reader]

I don't know the naval strength of each country in terms of numbers or class of vessels, but a united front is better than a divided front despite the numbers, since it demonstrates a resolve to not back down despite the odds. Furthermore, the more ships one has out patrolling seas from various countries for Chinese fishermen will only isolate serve to isolate them.

I think especially Vietnam is extending its navy - 2 new frigates, plus two on order, 6 kilo subs on order plus some small planes and helicopters for coastal patrol as well as land to sea missile systems (P-5 in service, Brahmos on order)

[archibald harry tuttle]

I can tell you a truth gentleman that aside from India, there are no border disputes on land connected with China.

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[archibald harry tuttle]

What I want to know is why Chinese fishermen keep on fishing in the waters' of other countries? ...........

It all about money! They do have a dangerously underestimated overpopulation problem but still all that fishing is for export, the supermarkets are flooded with chinese fish catch eveywhere. They do it all over the planet and they violate fishing santuaries and all wildlife/fisheries protection agreements. In an episode of a Discivery/History channel series about mercenaries working for poor countries they were hired to protect the fisheries of an african nation they caught a chinese ship illegally fishing that sold the catch to factory ships stationed in international waters that allegedly work for the european union. Their own fisheries are damaged but still it is not about feeding their population, its about keeping an unsustainable rate of economic growth. They go for the fish wherever its easy and cheap to get and that includes bullying the Philippines.

[comet]

So what's the status now? I'm all for arresting those fishermen. I always say no matter what side you are oj, illegal is illegal. The fact that "surveillance" ships of china are escorting or protecting this just proves my views on that country.

[comet]

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Also that dude who had an irritating avatar. I seem to recall that he is not waving the flag defending the lol stands of your country in the international stage

[morethanwhy]

So what's the status now? I'm all for arresting those fishermen. I always say no matter what side you are oj, illegal is illegal. The fact that "surveillance" ships of china are escorting or protecting this just proves my views on that country.

a Phil. Coast Guard vessel left port this morning (PH time) to relieve BRP Gregorio del Pilar, it seems the government has decided that a civilian law enforcement vessel confronting the Chinese civilian surveillance vessels could ease the tension a bit.

[junglejim]

By VERA Files | The Inbox – 32 minutes ago

It's now one against three in the ongoing standoff in Scarborough shoal in the South China Sea, with a lone Philippine Navy vessel up against three Chinese Marine Surveillance (CMS) ships whose presence, officials say, violates Philippine sovereignty.
China sent the 1,000-ton maritime surveillance ship Yuzheng 303, sighted eight nautical miles from the position of the BRP Gregorio del Pilar, after it sent a marine surveillance aircraft at around 2 p.m. Wednesday (April 11).


When the Yuzheng 303 was approaching southwest of Scarborough, two CMS ships with bow numbers 75 and 84 that were already in the area steamed towards the approaching Chinese vessel.


Philippine military officials say the Chinese naval presence plus air cover was meant as a show of force. It was China's response to the April 10 incident when the Gregorio del Pilar apprehended Chinese fishing boats in Scarborough shoal, also called Panatag.

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Del Rosario said there was a clear violation of Philippine sovereignty. He hoped to arrive at a diplomatic solution but said that if the Philippines is challenged, "it is prepared to secure its sovereignty."


Tan said the Coast Guard's search and rescue vessel is expected in the area Thursday (April 12). "Our role is just to be there to show our presence," he said.

Pama confirmed that all preparations are being undertaken including sending ships, but he refused to disclose the number and their positions. "We are ready but we have no intentions of telegraphing our intentions in the area," Pama said.



The Philippine Navy's cautious move is in accordance with President Aquino's guidance of "white to white, gray to gray." "White to white" means civilian ships are to deal only with civilian ships, in this case the Philippine Coast Guard to the Chinese Marine Surveillance. "Gray to gray" means navy to navy.

http://ph.news.yahoo.com/blogs/the-i...021443120.html