Philippine warship in standoff with China vessels

[ggk]

by the way .. heads up philipines navy .. they are coming



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[junglejim]

I believe thats already verified to be heading the wrong direction. Now I've answered a lot of questions so it's time for me to as a few, maybe the Chinese can answer:

I often hear from you guys that the citizenry is asking to teach the Philippines a lesson, may I know what lesson would that be?

Cause I'm afraid we might have some cultural differences and get different interpretation. So here's a backgrounder, last year alone we've lost to about a hundred of our soldiers in combat with about 30 of those decapitated. We displace a around 50K of our population due to combat annually and this **** has been going for that past 40 years.

So what lesson do you think you will teach the Philippines by blowing up those vessels and killing a hundred of our sailors? Cause the actual results may vary and could prove a headache for you guys in years to come.

[Meorom]

I believe thats already verified to be heading the wrong direction. Now I've answered a lot of questions so it's time for me to as a few, maybe the Chinese can answer:

I often hear from you guys that the citizenry is asking to teach the Philippines a lesson, may I know what lesson would that be?

Cause I'm afraid we might have some cultural differences and get different interpretation. So here's a backgrounder, last year alone we've lost to about a hundred of our soldiers in combat with about 30 of those decapitated. We displace a around 50K of our population due to combat annually and this **** has been going for that past 40 years.

So what lesson do you think you will teach the Philippines by blowing up those vessels and killing a hundred of our sailors? Cause the actual results may vary and could prove a headache for you guys in years to come.

You know what, I have some Chinese friends, and what they said is something like China is always a peaceful country, and other countries have occupied their territories and China should ask for them back, if can not ask, China will use power.... blah blah.
After that, I have never asked Chinese guys anything else about politics and teritory. Because I know what they have been taught since they were an infant.

[tusiki]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_assured_destruction

I believe the argument could be made that no country would be working for such an event seeing that the ramifications go much further than those countries principally involved. Who would “retrieve glory”? Do you understand the affect such an event would have globally. The idea that someone in the region would profit from this is odd. So I do not understand if you make this statement as a joke or as a serious idea.

Ps. You have to tell me if you can access that page on Wikipedia otherwise I can look up another source.

Professor Zhu Chenghu (朱成虎, born 1952, in Dangtu, Anhui, China) is the dean of the Defense Affairs Institute for China's National Defense University of the People's Liberation Army. He holds the rank of Major General.

Notable comments

Zhu is most famous for comments made at an event organized by the Better Hong Kong Foundation in July 2005. Zhu told Wall Street Journal reporter Danny Gittings (in the context of a Sino-U.S. military conflict over Taiwan), "if the Americans draw their missiles and position-guided ammunition on to the target zone on China's territory, I think we will have to respond with nuclear weapons," and that "we [...] will prepare ourselves for the destruction of all of the cities east of Xi'an. Of course the Americans will have to be prepared that hundreds ... of cities will be destroyed by the Chinese."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhu_Chenghu

[tusiki]

Hey! I've only been to China once, but was shocked by the beauty of the Li River. We spent a few days in Guangxi, and it was just stunning. And the people were amazing.

You are always welcome. Where do you come from?

[GummyBear0311]

For your information, I am a Vietnamese, and I know exactly what is going on, and what Chicoms think. The weird thing for me is that, this kind of provocation is not the first time. However, this is the first time Philippine reacts like this. Philippine has not prepared for any escalating with China. Philippine should by some frigates and airplanes first.

I believed in the 90's, Philippine Navy did the same thing against China. Some international newspapers even put up a drawing of a small Philippine navy ship confronting a bigger Chinese ship.

[GummyBear0311]

The Philippine government has said before that they should go to international court with the Shoal dispute, China said no. China has said they have proof. If they do have proof, then why refuse to settle it in international court.

The Chinese government are interested in its natural resources. 1st is the oil and gas which they need to up keep booming economy. 2nd is food, the fishing area. They might have decrease the number of fish the waters by their coast, so they need to sail out more into the high seas.

[AliceInWonderland]

You know what, I have some Chinese friends, and what they said is something like China is always a peaceful country, and other countries have occupied their territories and China should ask for them back, if can not ask, China will use power.... blah blah.
After that, I have never asked Chinese guys anything else about politics and teritory. Because I know what they have been taught since they were an infant.

I'm a 2nd gen Chinese living in the Philippines. It's weird, my parents think exactly the same way. They keep bringing up how the Chinese have been bullied for so long, and how evil the United States is. Is it because of upbringing? When I was in Chinese school in the 70s and 80s, they taught Chinese history, and it seems almost that all the characters were heroes, but it got to the point where you start to smell bullsh*t, and you realize that it's all a fairy tale, therefore I flunked every one of those subjects. Sure, every nation has an agenda to enrich itself, but claiming territory that's basically at another nation's doorstep is nothing short of "kupal" (the most suitable Filipino word to describe how the Chinese govt is acting) So now, it's time to be the bully? Seriously, insecurity sucks.

[tusiki]

The Philippine government has said before that they should go to international court with the Shoal dispute, China said no. China has said they have proof. If they do have proof, then why refuse to settle it in international court.

The Chinese government are interested in its natural resources. 1st is the oil and gas which they need to up keep booming economy. 2nd is food, the fishing area. They might have decrease the number of fish the waters by their coast, so they need to sail out more into the high seas.

Does The International Tribunal on the Law of the Sea have jurisdiction over territory?

[comet]

The Philippine government has said before that they should go to international court with the Shoal dispute, China said no. China has said they have proof. If they do have proof, then why refuse to settle it in international court.

The Chinese government are interested in its natural resources. 1st is the oil and gas which they need to up keep booming economy. 2nd is food, the fishing area. They might have decrease the number of fish the waters by their coast, so they need to sail out more into the high seas.

I think everyone that can think knows this truth already. Especially the gas/oil part. They have nothing that can stand up in court.

[comet]

Does The International Tribunal on the Law of the Sea have jurisdiction over territory?

You mean, can they decide based on agreement who owns which? I think they do however I'm not sure. Can anyone here confirm?

[zsmoke]

I believed in the 90's, Philippine Navy did the same thing against China. Some international newspapers even put up a drawing of a small Philippine navy ship confronting a bigger Chinese ship.

Chinese navy had nothing in 1990's comparing to what they have for now. Back then, PLAN had no LPDs can operate there. Its air power had no tankers, and their J-6/J-7/J-8 fighters could hardly fly to Philippine and back. Look at what they have for now. Four-fold increase of military expenditure over a decade matters. China was, is, and will be a bully as long as it has the power to back what it claims.

[icefrog]

I guess they do.

The International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea (ITLOS) is an intergovernmental organization created by the mandate of the Third United Nations Conference on the Law of the Sea. It was established by the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, signed atMontego Bay, Jamaica, on December 10, 1982. The Convention entered into force on November 16, 1994, and established an international framework for law over "all ocean space, its uses and resources". The tribunal is based in Hamburg, Germany. The Convention also established the International Seabed Authority, with responsibility for the regulation of seabed mining beyond the limits of national jurisdiction, that is beyond the limits of the territorial sea, the contiguous zone and the continental shelf.

The Tribunal has the power to settle disputes between states parties (there are currently 161: 160 states plus the European Union ).

Here's a recent Judgment between Bangladesh and Myanmar in the Bay of Bengal:

http://www.itlos.org/fileadmin/itlos...75_engf_02.pdf
http://www.itlos.org/fileadmin/itlos...14_02_2012.pdf

[comet]

I guess they do.



Here's a recent Judgment between Bangladesh and Myanmar in the Bay of Bengal:

http://www.itlos.org/fileadmin/itlos...75_engf_02.pdf
http://www.itlos.org/fileadmin/itlos...14_02_2012.pdf

Thanks, guess that answers our question. Well there you have it, a proper court where gentlemen settle their disputes. Too bad someone doesn't wanna face the law.

[Delta Niner]

I guess they do.



Here's a recent Judgment between Bangladesh and Myanmar in the Bay of Bengal:

http://www.itlos.org/fileadmin/itlos...75_engf_02.pdf
http://www.itlos.org/fileadmin/itlos...14_02_2012.pdf

thanks Icefrog, Let's hope that logic would not be overtaken by greed