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    If China is intent on showing force without resulting to the use of force directly then the next escalation could perhaps be that China starts doing air patrols in the region or on border of disputed waters with aircraft, there would be little the Philippines could do to counter this besides lodge a complaint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by junglejim View Post
    I wasnt trying to be funny, I was telling the truth. Our navy has a limping rats chance in hell against the Chinese South Sea Fleet, yet instead of investing in a capable area denial weapons, our navy is very much focused on getting an MRV and more ex Hamiltons to increase the gun boat fleet.

    The next aircraft for the Air Force is the LIFT which is already decided as well as an MPA aircraft, that too is already decided and will know more by July.

    Back to topic: Again there are many ways to skin a cat a shooting war starts and a lot of the smaller countries can get creative. As the Armed Forces of the Philippines its mandate is to make sure it can fight back. There are plans to deal with it, they wouldn't be doing their jobs if there wasn't.

    As for ASEAN, the only country that might actually help us in some way would be Indonesia and thats an iffy... Singapore is mainly Chinese, so thats that. Malaysia would probably see that as a repreive from the Sabah issue, Thailand has close relationship with China and has no claims in the SPratleys, and Vietnam would be too busy shoring up its defenses after seeing the South Sea Fleet in action.

    Main country that I would see coming in the fray is the US and Australia. If not out right ships in the water, it would be by proxy.
    Vietnam will help Philippines when China attacks Philippines' islands. So don't worry!

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    Vietnam's Maritime Police ships. Those ships are designed and built in Vietnam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katiusha View Post
    Vietnam will help Philippines when China attacks Philippines' islands. So don't worry!
    And India will help Vietnam, so dont worry

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    Quote Originally Posted by hulaku View Post
    And India will help Vietnam, so dont worry
    Not entirely true.

    India finds oil drilling off Vietnam a losing proposition

    http://www.thehindu.com/news/nationa...cle3405680.ece

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMiddlePath View Post
    Not entirely true.

    India finds oil drilling off Vietnam a losing proposition

    http://www.thehindu.com/news/nationa...cle3405680.ece
    Oh those pesky Vietnamese, what have they done to force the Indian to accept such "losing" proposition On the other hand, I think Ordie is still patiently waiting for you answer regarding your loyalty to your country

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meorom View Post
    You know what, I have some Chinese friends, and what they said is something like China is always a peaceful country, and other countries have occupied their territories and China should ask for them back, if can not ask, China will use power.... blah blah.
    After that, I have never asked Chinese guys anything else about politics and teritory. Because I know what they have been taught since they were an infant.
    It's a popular Chinese view. Anyone who has attended a university class with a Chinese student present is bound to have heard of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hulaku View Post
    And India will help Vietnam, so dont worry
    LOL As I know Vietnam just sent military experts to India to help training Indian army on land to confront with China at India-China border in future since India lost against China in 1962. But Vietnam won against China in 1979 (on land).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katiusha View Post
    LOL As I know Vietnam just sent military experts to India to help training Indian army on land to confront with China at India-China border in future since India lost against China in 1962. But Vietnam won against China in 1979 (on land).
    It seems that you guys are indulging in an arrogance competition of nationalism, instead of engaging in how to settle the dispute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tusiki View Post
    It seems that you guys are indulging in an arrogance competition of nationalism, instead of engaging in how to settle the dispute.
    The same applies to China, I have never heard of any efforts by China to settle the dispute in a reasonable manner.
    On the other hand, ignore that nationalist idiots who is spreading crap around since he may not be even Vietnamese and just try to troll everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badger11 View Post
    The same applies to China, I have never heard of any efforts by China to settle the dispute in a reasonable manner.
    On the other hand, ignore that nationalist idiots who is spreading crap around since he may not be even Vietnamese and just try to troll everyone.

    2002 Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea


    Adopted by the Foreign Ministers of ASEAN and the People’s Republic of China


    at the 8th ASEAN Summit in Phnom Penh, Cambodia on 4 November 2002
    The Governments of the Member States of ASEAN and the Government of the People's Republic of China,

    REAFFIRMING their determination to consolidate and develop the friendship and cooperation existing between their people and governments with the view to promoting a 21st century-oriented partnership of good neighbourliness and mutual trust;

    COGNIZANT
    of the need to promote a peaceful, friendly and harmonious environment in the South China Sea between ASEAN and China for the enhancement of peace, stability, economic growth and prosperity in the region;

    COMMITTED to enhancing the principles and objectives of the 1997 Joint Statement of the Meeting of the Heads of State/Government of the Member States of ASEAN and President of the People's Republic of China;

    DESIRING
    to enhance favourable conditions for a peaceful and durable solution of differences and disputes among countries concerned;

    HEREBY DECLARE
    the following:

    1. The Parties reaffirm their commitment to the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations, the 1982 UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, the Treaty of Amity and Cooperation in Southeast Asia, the Five Principles of Peaceful Coexistence, and other universally recognized principles of international law which shall serve as the basic norms governing state-to-state relations;

    2. The Parties are committed to exploring ways for building trust and confidence in accordance with the above-mentioned principles and on the basis of equality and mutual respect;

    3. The Parties reaffirm their respect for and commitment to the freedom of navigation in and overflight above the South China Sea as provided for by the universally recognized principles of international law, including the 1982 UN Convention on the Law of the Sea;

    4. The Parties concerned undertake to resolve their territorial and jurisdictional disputes by peaceful means, without resorting to the threat or use of force, through friendly consultations and negotiations by sovereign states directly concerned, in accordance with universally recognized principles of international law, including the 1982 UN Convention on the Law of the Sea;


    5. The Parties undertake to exercise self-restraint in the conduct of activities that would complicate or escalate disputes and affect peace and stability including, among others, refraining from action of inhabiting on the presently uninhabited islands, reefs, shoals, cays, and other features and to handle their differences in a constructive manner. Pending the peaceful settlement of territorial and jurisdictional disputes, the Parties concerned undertake to intensify efforts to seek ways, in the spirit of cooperation and understanding, to build trust and confidence between and among them, including: a. holding dialogues and exchange of views as appropriate between their defense and military officials; b. ensuring just and humane treatment of all persons who are either in danger or in distress; c. notifying, on a voluntary basis, other Parties concerned of any impending joint/combined military exercise; and d. exchanging, on a voluntary basis, relevant information.

    6. Pending a comprehensive and durable settlement of the disputes, the Parties concerned may explore or undertake cooperative activities. These may include the following: a. marine environmental protection; b. marine scientific research; c. safety of navigation and communication at sea; d. search and rescue operation; and e. combating transnational crime, including but not limited to trafficking in illicit drugs, piracy and armed robbery at sea, and illegal traffic in arms. The modalities, scope and locations, in respect of bilateral and multilateral cooperation should be agreed upon by the Parties concerned prior to their actual implementation.

    7. The Parties concerned stand ready to continue their consultations and dialogues concerning relevant issues, through modalities to be agreed by them, including regular consultations on the observance of this Declaration, for the purpose of promoting good neighbourliness and transparency, establishing harmony, mutual understanding and cooperation, and facilitating peaceful resolution of disputes among them;

    8. The Parties undertake to respect the provisions of this Declaration and take actions consistent therewith;

    9. The Parties encourage other countries to respect the principles contained in this Declaration; 10. The Parties concerned reaffirm that the adoption of a code of conduct in the South China Sea would further promote peace and stability in the region and agree to work, on the basis of consensus, towards the eventual attainment of this objective.

    DONE
    on the Fourth Day of November in the Year Two Thousand and Two in Phnom Penh, the Kingdom of Cambodia.
    For Brunei Darussalam: MOHAMED BOLKIAH, Minister of Foreign Affairs
    For the Kingdom of Cambodia: HOR NAMHONG, Senior Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs and International Cooperation
    For the Republic of Indonesia: DR HASSAN WIRAYUDA, Minister for Foreign Affairs
    For the Lao People's Democratic Republic: SOMSAVAT LENGSAVAD, Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Foreign Affairs
    For Malaysia: DATUK SERI SYED HAMID ALBAR, Minister of Foreign Affairs
    For the Union of Myanmar: WIN AUNG, Minister for Foreign Affairs
    For the Republic of the Philippines: BLAS F. OPLE, Secretary of Foreign Affairs
    For the Republic of Singapore: PROF. S. JAYAKUMAR, Minister for Foreign Affairs
    For the Kingdom of Thailand: DR. SURAKIART SATHIRATHAI, Minister of Foreign Affairs
    For the Socialist Republic of Viet Nam: NGUYEN DY NIEN, Minister of Foreign Affairs
    For the People’s Republic of China: WANG YI, Special Envoy and Vice Minister of Foreign Affairs
    MANILA, Philippines (AP) — The Philippines said its largest warship was engaged in a tense standoff with Chinese surveillance vessels Wednesday at a disputed South China Sea shoal, after the ship attempted to arrest Chinese fishermen but was blocked by the surveillance craft.
    Foreign Secretary Albert Del Rosario summoned Chinese Ambassador Ma Keqing to resolve the dangerous impasse diplomatically. Del Rosario's office said in a statement that the Scarborough Shoal "is an integral part of Philippine territory" and Filipino authorities would assert sovereignty over the offshore area.

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    As far as I know, every Vietnamese will welcome any help from any country, especially from India, our friends. We share a common threat and enemy.
    Actually, We can share our knowledge in many areas: VN can train India how to fight in a jungle. India can help VN in training naval crews as well as providing naval hardware.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tusiki View Post
    MANILA, Philippines (AP) — The Philippines said its largest warship was engaged in a tense standoff with Chinese surveillance vessels Wednesday at a disputed South China Sea shoal, after the ship attempted to arrest Chinese fishermen but was blocked by the surveillance craft.
    Foreign Secretary Albert Del Rosario summoned Chinese Ambassador Ma Keqing to resolve the dangerous impasse diplomatically. Del Rosario's office said in a statement that the Scarborough Shoal "is an integral part of Philippine territory" and Filipino authorities would assert sovereignty over the offshore area.

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    So what does this mean when you posted it after the MOU?

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    Post Vietnam's Maritime Police's new Ship

    Newly-built (made in Vietnam) big combat ship for VIETNAM'S MARITIME POLICE - This class of ship has the size of a frigate - 2,200 tons but is only used in Coastal Police force, so NO missiles equipped. Will be launched in a few months from now. This class of ship is built to sink Chinese Fishery Patrol ships and Chinese Marine Surveillance ships. (LOL) More will be built in future. )

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    I dont think Vietnam is going to just start ramming and sinking Chinese ships, The Chinese are not going to just sit by and let that slip. I see this ship as more as a ship that will be able to patrol longer then other current ships without having to return to port for refueling, also looks like this ship could serve as a flag ship for policing operations in region for tracking and monitoring Chinese fishing boats and ship activity.

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