Jordan to revoke citizenship of PA, PLO officials

[KoTeMoRe]

Explain what you mean. I really don't see how the revocation of Jordanian nationality of PLO officials could upset Israel.

Those who live in the WB don't hold Jordanian citizenship. Those who live in Jordan will be kindly asked to continue their political activity elsewhere. Stopping them from getting to the WB, will cause yet another problem for Israel.

[GB_FXST]

Explain what you mean. I really don't see how the revocation of Jordanian nationality of PLO officials could upset Israel.

See his post #9; I think the analysis for potential trouble for Israel is correct.

[OrangeWolf]

If King Abdullah really wants a "divorce", then does this mean this is just a start? Does that mean he wishes to eventually take away citizenship of all Palestinians in Jordan?


I'm assuming wikipedia is correct here, there are 2 million Palestinians living in Jordan. Only 167,000 do not have citizenship, they are permanent residents nontheless. Only 338,000 live in UNRWA refugee camps, so most of them are also integrated in Jordanian society and enjoy (and I assume also pay for) Jordanian public services. I find it hard to believe he would take away citizenship of so many people, 1,662,000 of them people who live in Jordanian towns and villages. Especially since I do not think they will be allowed to settle in Gaza or the West Bank, and to tell them they can settle in Israel is just a fairytale. I really wonder where he will draw the line.

There are no Israeli plans to resettle Palestinians from the Westbank into Jordan, I don't think he needs to be afraid of that. So is it a measure to appease the native Hashemites? (p.s I know his family got Jordan quite recent in history, but they are more native than the Palestinians).

[KoTeMoRe]

Simply put. For 30 years now Palestinians have been a pain in Jordan. King sees turmoil sparked by various "groups" around the arab world. Among these, he reads, is often a struggle for recognition, within the troubled countries. Minorities, religions what ever. He turns to his country and sees a possible rift and source of problems. The Palestinians within Jordan. How would you deal with such a large population without alienating them?

The King is choosing an opportunistic path. Claiming you're helping them, while you're in fact cutting them loose. You deprive the Palestinian body of its leaders and political apparatus. So while Palestinians will retain voting right, they will be forced to vote on a Jordanian scheme of things, with a Jordanian mindset. Off course there will be people that would scream about the "murderous initiative of King Abdallah who attempts to destroy the Palestinian identity" and in a sense they won't be far from the truth. This gesture is a calculated one. I hope for the King Palestinian have math classes.

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Those who live in the WB don't hold Jordanian citizenship.

We are speaking here about PA and PLO officials. Some of them hold Jordanian nationality, example: Mahmoud Abbas.

Those who live in Jordan will be kindly asked to continue their political activity elsewhere.

The report does not say PLO's political activities should be banned in Jordan. So PLO officials living in Jordan could continue their political activity even after being revoked from their nationality, like the Palestinian appatrides living elsewhere. So why should they leave the country?

Stopping them from getting to the WB, will cause yet another problem for Israel.

Palestinians living elsewhere are not allowed to settle in the WB. So I don't see why these additional appatrides will be of a concern for Israel more than PLO activists living in Lebanon?
The 3.5 million Palestinian refugees and apatrides could settle in the WB if a Palestinian state is created there and if this state wants them to settle there.

[KoTeMoRe]

We are speaking here about PA and PLO officials. Some of them hold Jordanian nationality, example: Mahmoud Abbas.



The report does not say PLO's political activities should be banned in Jordan. So PLO officials living in Jordan could continue their political activity even after being revoked from their nationality, like the Palestinian appatrides living elsewhere. So why should they leave the country?



Palestinians living elsewhere are not allowed to settle in the WB. So I don't see why these additional appatrides will be of a concern for Israel more than PLO activists living in Lebanon?
The 3.5 million Palestinian refugees and apatrides could settle in the WB if a Palestinian state is created there and if this state wants them to settle there.

Because these are "high profile" and can make their case heard. That's why King Abdallah wants to get rid of them in the first place. So they can stop meddling in his backyard.

[Ordie]

September 1970 is not all that long ago for the Jordanians.

It's been two generations and those who were involved have passed away.King Abdullah and the Queen were from refugee families. His from Hijaz and her from Palestine. He's worked hard to create a Jordan First policy and new Jordanian identity. Many regard themselves as Jordanians. Just as much as Americans do after one or two generations.Revoking citizenship status of PA officials sends a message that they are on their own.It's also can be seen as dumping the issue to the Israelis. However, the PA or Israel may allow dual citizenship with other nations.

[GB_FXST]

It's been two generations and those who were involved have passed away.King Abdullah and the Queen were from refugee families. His from Hijaz and her from Palestine. He's worked hard to create a Jordan First policy and new Jordanian identity. Many regard themselves as Jordanians. Just as much as Americans do after one or two generations.Revoking citizenship status of PA officials sends a message that they are on their own.It's also can be seen as dumping the issue to the Israelis. However, the PA or Israel may allow dual citizenship with other nations.

Where is your outrage that people are disenfranchised en mass, without any due process?

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Because these are "high profile" and can make their case heard. That's why King Abdallah wants to get rid of them in the first place. So they can stop meddling in his backyard.

I see what you mean.
But the "high profile" activists should not exceed few dozens. Anyway, from the Israeli PoV, they should share the fate of the high profile activists of Lebanon, Syria, Kuwait… That can't settle in the WB yet.

[Ordie]

Where is your outrage that people are disenfranchised en mass, without any due process?

Meh.

I got several infractions based on Israel/Palestine issues.

Need to keep it cool.

[ragnarok]

Where is your outrage that people are disenfranchised en mass, without any due process?

I can't blame you for seeing it as that. I would be pissed if that happened to me also.

[IraGlacialis]

And how could one be racist, if this aims at clarifying a political situation. If you are a political appointee from a different subject of International Law (or country) you cannot possibly hold a constituency that is in political and national contradiction with the current regime in Jordan. IE you have a struggle to create a Palestinian state. You hold a Jordanian citizenship, you recognize as your head of state a Palestinian man and vote to elect two distinct entities in your express quality of Palestinian. How is this for racist? You're being asked to choose. Either stay Jordanian and relinquish your PA affiliation. Either hand over your Jordanian citizenship and keep the struggle alive.

This aims only the Political militants and appointees. Not the whole of the Palestinian people in Jordan.

The King is choosing an opportunistic path. Claiming you're helping them, while you're in fact cutting them loose. You deprive the Palestinian body of its leaders and political apparatus. So while Palestinians will retain voting right, they will be forced to vote on a Jordanian scheme of things, with a Jordanian mindset. Off course there will be people that would scream about the "murderous initiative of King Abdallah who attempts to destroy the Palestinian identity" and in a sense they won't be far from the truth. This gesture is a calculated one. I hope for the King Palestinian have math classes.

There is also the factor that there is a cultural disconnect between the Palestinians and the Hashemite Royal Family (Queen Rania notwithstanding). Unlike the Bedouins and original Jordanians, the refugees have no connection to the monarchy and having dual political leadership would complicate things as numbers swell and more Arab-Spring-esque movements come along.
Abdullah is just nipping this in the bud before the inevitable occurs.

[Ordie]

Unlike the Bedouins and original Jordanians, the refugees have no connection to the monarchy

Don't forget that the Hashmites are refugees themselves.

They were Meccans who were kicked out by the Sauds.

[KoTeMoRe]

There is also the factor that there is a cultural disconnect between the Palestinians and the Hashemite Royal Family (Queen Rania notwithstanding). Unlike the Bedouins and original Jordanians, the refugees have no connection to the monarchy and having dual political leadership would complicate things as numbers swell and more Arab-Spring-esque movements come along.
Abdullah is just nipping this in the bud before the inevitable occurs.

It's tricky. But to correct this. The Royal family is even far more disconnected from the people than the Palestinian Refugees will ever be. Other than that, I agree. One has few options in these cases and even fewer "neutral" options.

[MUSHROOM123]

The king is afraid of Jordan being "Palestine". He knows that the majority of the Jordanians are "Palestinians" and because of that Jordan is the real "Palestine".