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    Quote Originally Posted by IDF_TANKER View Post
    It's truly amazing how everything Israel does is sinister and evil, even when this is the exact opposite of whatever else is sinister and evil. If there are checkpoints, it is purely to limit freedom of movement and make lives of Palestinians harder; if there are no checkpoints, it's clearly to erase an historical truth. Simply unbelievable.
    Anecdotally, I travelled from the Allenby Bridge to Jerusalem in 30 minutes with one checkpoint. The IDF looked at the cover of my passport and waved us through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ordie View Post
    Anecdotally, I travelled from the Allenby Bridge to Jerusalem in 30 minutes with one checkpoint. The IDF looked at the cover of my passport and waved us through.
    Thank you for sharing this with us.

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    I just came to realize that KoTeMoRe ignored completely that the WB was annexed by Jordan.
    This explains why he rendered us mad with his nonsensical posts in the famous thread where he held judge Koroma in great esteem: http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...=1#post5982359

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ordie View Post
    Anecdotally, I travelled from the Allenby Bridge to Jerusalem in 30 minutes with one checkpoint. The IDF looked at the cover of my passport and waved us through.
    In the 1970s and in the 1980s, people moved freely.
    There was no fear and the Palestinians that worked in Israel remained to sleep there. All the obstacles to circulation that came later resulted of the terror attacks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camera View Post
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    I just came to realize that KoTeMoRe ignored completely that the WB was annexed by Jordan.
    This explains why he rendered us mad with his nonsensical posts in the famous thread where he held judge Koroma in great esteem: http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...=1#post5982359
    Jeesus Christ, Annexation doesn't change a damn thing even when taken to account.

    The annexation if effective and agreed by the UN (that of course isn't the case)...still poses a great issue to Israel. Israel having to abide by GCIV it can't annex by force any given territory. So keep singing that tune.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camera View Post
    Read and learn before making nonsensical posts:



    http://www.jcpa.org/art/knesset6.htm
    Doesn't change a damn thing to the UN 181. Jordan acted de facto, not de jure. Who recognized the Jordanian annexation? Now as for the rest, Israeli National Interest doesn't get along well with UN's recommendations and process of. As for the rest, Israel doesn't do anything sinister, it is just trying to get the bigger part of the pie. Doesn't mean it isn't illegal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KoTeMoRe View Post
    Jeesus Christ, Annexation doesn't change a damn thing even when taken to account.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KoTeMoRe View Post
    The annexation if effective and agreed by the UN (that of course isn't the case)...still poses a great issue to Israel. Israel having to abide by GCIV it can't annex by force any given territory. So keep singing that tune.
    For 3 pages, everybody is speaking to you about annexation by Jordan and you answer about annexation by Israel that, by the way, never occurred. Even if you ignore history, it would be easier for everybody if you read carefully the posts to which you reply.

    Quote Originally Posted by KoTeMoRe View Post
    Doesn't change a damn thing to the UN 181. Jordan acted de facto, not de jure. Who recognized the Jordanian annexation? Now as for the rest, Israeli National Interest doesn't get along well with UN's recommendations and process of. As for the rest, Israel doesn't do anything sinister, it is just trying to get the bigger part of the pie. Doesn't mean it isn't illegal.
    Few states recognized the annexation of the WB by Jordan in 1950. The most important one was the UK that formerly held the Mandate over Palestine given to her by the League of Nations.
    As for Israel, its interest goes along with the resolution of the UN. The only relevant being the UNSC 242 voted following the 6-Days war. All the agreements in the region - Camp David accords, Oslo agreement - were based on this resolution.[/SIZE][/FONT]

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    This thread was derailed by people who ignore the history of the region. The following Op-ED by former Defense Minister, Moshe Arens, discuss the Jordanian/Palestinian issue while reminding the basic historical facts.




    Palestinians are not wanted in Jordan


    Jordanian spokesmen insist over and over again that Jordan is not a Palestinian state, and the assertion heard now and then that Jordan is Palestine is considered subversive propaganda in Amman.


    By [*******#434141]Moshe Arens[/COLOR]

    Jordan refuses to let in the more than 1,000 Palestinians stranded along the Syria-Jordan border, even though it has allowed 100,000 Syrian refugees to enter. There are at present an estimated 500,000 Palestinian refugees in Syria, and clearly the last thing the rulers of Jordan want is for them to come streaming into Jordan.

    The rulers of Jordan believe they have a demographic problem, and Palestinians are not wanted in Jordan. Jordanian spokesmen insist over and over again that Jordan is not a Palestinian state, and the assertion heard now and then that Jordan is Palestine is considered subversive propaganda in Amman.

    How things have changed since the time that Jordan's King Abdullah sent his British-officered and -equipped Arab Legion into western Palestine in 1948 and, at the conclusion of hostilities, annexed the areas of Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria that had come under his control during the fighting; awarded Jordanian citizenship to the Palestinian population there; and turning the Palestinians into a majority of Jordan's population. As far as the leadership of the Palestine Liberation Organization was concerned, Jordan was most definitely Palestine, as seen when the PLO tried to take over Jordan during Black September, in 1970. The Jordanian army routed the Palestinian forces, leaving King Hussein in control.

    The vagaries of Middle East borders and national identities come to mind when we recall the birth, more than 90 years ago, of what is today the kingdom of Jordan. In 1921, Winston Churchill, the newly appointed British colonial secretary, hurried from London to Jerusalem and offered Emir Abdullah, the son of Sharif Hussein of Mecca, the territory of Palestine east of the Jordan River. That was three-quarters of the area that had been intended to serve as the national home of the Jewish people, but Churchill assured Emir Abdullah that, contrary to the League of Nations mandate on the matter, these territories would be closed to Jewish immigration and settlement.

    This gratuitous offer was followed in 1922 by the Churchill White Paper, which declared that "unauthorized statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that Palestine is to become 'as Jewish as England is English.' His Majesty's Government regard any such expectations as impracticable and have no such aim in view." It signaled the beginning of Britain's retreat from the commitments it had undertaken in the Balfour Declaration and its obligations under the League of Nations mandate.

    What began as the Emirate of Transjordan developed over the years, under British tutelage, into the Kingdom of Transjordan, which during 1948 extended its control to the Old City of Jerusalem and areas west of the Jordan river. Transjordan renamed itself in 1949 as the Kingdom of Jordan, and a "Jordanian" nation was born.
    During the first intifada, Jordan's King Hussein, fearing that the intifada might spill over into Jordan, decided to cut Jordan's legal and administrative ties to eastern Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria and distance himself from the Palestinian population living there. In 2009 he began a process of revoking Jordanian citizenship from Palestinians. He is trying to bring his demographic problem under control.

    But there is no changing the fact that Palestinians constitute a majority of the population in Jordan; the rest of the population consists of Bedouin tribes. If one were to apply the definition used by the advocates of the Palestinian cause in Israel, who maintain that the Bedouin in Israel are also Palestinians, then all of Jordan's population can be counted as Palestinians.

    If Jordan is not a Palestinian state, then what is? The proponents of a Palestinian state in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are actually calling for the establishment of a second Palestinian state. There is no law of nature that would preclude the existence of two Palestinian states, one east of the Jordan and another one west of the Jordan. Not so long ago there were two Germanys, and nowadays there are North Korea and South Korea. But it is just those analogies that call into question the permanence, and even the validity, of such an arrangement.

    The Israeli defense establishment is firmly opposed to a "Jordan is Palestine" solution, and for good reason. The Jordanian army and security services are efficient. On guard against subversive elements in Jordan that would turn Jordan into a Palestinian state, they also cooperate with Israel's security services in the fight against terrorism and help keep the Jordanian-Israeli border peaceful. There is no reason for Israel to welcome a Palestinian takeover of Jordan.

    But Jordan's King Abdullah may be fighting a losing battle. Here is one demographic wave that may not be reversable.


    http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/pales...ordan-1.424722

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    Quote Originally Posted by KoTeMoRe View Post
    Jeesus Christ, Annexation doesn't change a damn thing even when taken to account.

    The annexation if effective and agreed by the UN (that of course isn't the case)...still poses a great issue to Israel. Israel having to abide by GCIV it can't annex by force any given territory. So keep singing that tune.
    And so we go back to the text of UNSC 242, which allows Israel to retain territory gained during a defensive war until the Arab states agree to a peace deal acceptable to Israel ... GCIV and $0.25 buys you a bad cup of coffee.

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    For years, Jordan has systematically revoked its nationality from citizens of Palestinian origin. But that practice may soon end, a leading Arab daily reported Wednesday.

    A senior Jordanian source told London-based daily Al-Quds Al-Arabi that new regulations regarding Jordanian Palestinians will be issued within days, annulling the practice of citizenship revocation. Revoked citizenship cards will also be returned to some 4,500 Jordanians, the source said.

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/jordan-...-palestinians/

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