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    Quote Originally Posted by Impartial Bias View Post
    From what most of my family has told me, it's that they attempt to brainwash you to a certain degree, in an attempt to kill off a portion of your individuality so that you will fit in better in a larger oragnization and unit. In short, they seek to alter your mind and mentality to better fit with their "image". It is important to remind yourself of what they are trying to do so as to maintain your individuality.
    My Grandfather realized this after he got out of the military and started studying Psychology and Sociology. In Basic Training, everything is repetitive. You are told things over and over again, or do things over and over again. It is thought that if you are told something enough times, you will begin to believe it, regardless of what you thought before. Even more, you do things as a group. You PT as a group, you run in formation together, you sleep together, you eat together, you get yelled at together, and you get punished together. This is used to destroy any feelings of individuality, so that you associate more with a group and your "reinvented self" than you do with your pre-military self. You are given an authority figure who yells at, punishes, and berates you. This causes an effect similar to Stockholm syndrome where you feel sympathy or bondage with a person who mistreats you. It is also meant to further your commitment towards the people who lead you into battle (which is not always a bad thing, but if you have incompetent officers it may cause undeserving faith and respect towards them). When you enter BT, you immediately receive a haircut, and you are given standard issue everything from socks to uniforms (which everyone else has, and given a serial number identification number. These are used to further the loss of individuality, as after all this has happened, you go into formation where basically everyone looks the same (same haircut, same clothes, all in formation). This is used to initiate you into the slow loss of individuality, as everyone looks the same. On top of all this, stress, sleep deprivation, physical exhaustion and malnutrition are all used to make you more susceptible to what they try to implant within your mind. Granted, they are preparing you for war, but they are also making you more uniform and obedient. It is important to keep in your mind what they intend to do so that you will retain your individualist mind and identity.
    Most people realize that they are very different people after having joined the military (most find it very hard to socialize with non-military back in civilian life, others have increased amounts of stress, while some lose interest in things they enjoyed before the military; this is true even for those who have not seen combat). Most of this change occurs in Basic Training and extended military service. Ultimately it is the individualist and social parts of the mind that are changed the most.
    My sources for this are my grandfather, my uncles, my father, and my cousin, who all witnessed this when they joined the military. My grandfather realized this as he went through basic training in 1944, and kept it in the back of his mind that they were attempting to brainwash him, and so retained his individuality and his pre military outlook on life. He served during the pacific campaign and by the end of the war he was made a Sergeant Major because of his independent thought and actions. He went on to serve in Korea. At the end of the war he retired from the military at the rank of Captain in charge of a infantry company, again because of his independence in thought and actions.
    After the war he became a Professor in both Sociology and Psychology. When writing his doctoral thesis for Psychology, he used Basic Training indoctrination as his subject.
    The reason I type all this is because my Grandfather knows I intend to join the military, and wanted to teach me early on how to deal with the experience. Many go in clueless and are the most exposed to the loss of individuality. It is important to go in to the military expecting them to alter the way your mind works, and that you keep it in mind to resist the psychological attacks made on the mind. That way, you can retain who you truly are.
    I hope you found this helpful. Good luck there, and wherever else they may send you.



    Play the game, get through it and go on and do the good stuff that comes later. Any periods of discomfort will make for amusing stories at a later date.

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    Quote Originally Posted by khalifah View Post
    Hey MPN,

    3 days from now im gonna be getting on a bus, heading to an airplane, which will take me to another bus, which will then take me to a series of yellow footprints in San Diego. The general advice ive been getting can be summed up in a few words.

    Be loud,

    Speed and Intensity,

    Enjoy the ride.

    the first 2 sound easy enough, the last bit sounds a bit silly when the DIs are around 24/7..So have at it MPN.
    good luck! have fun!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by digrar View Post



    Play the game, get through it and go on and do the good stuff that comes later. Any periods of discomfort will make for amusing stories at a later date.

    yup. agreed on all points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digrar View Post
    Play the game, get through it and go on and do the good stuff that comes later. Any periods of discomfort will make for amusing stories at a later date.
    He asked for advice, I thought I'd give the best I've received from 3 generations of soldiers. But thanks anyways for your amusing post. -___-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Impartial Bias View Post
    He asked for advice, I thought I'd give the best I've received from 3 generations of soldiers. But thanks anyways for your amusing post. -___-

    Paragraphs works very well, that was Digrar's friendly advice.

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    Best of luck to you, buddy! Stay motivated and do your best! See ya around!

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    Don't quit.

    Two ears, One mouth.

    Tell your parents you love them and not to worry, it's only boot camp.

    If you're girlfriend bangs someone while you're gone, there are other far hotter, better looking, and dirtier girls out there waiting for when you get back.

    Always pull your weight in your section/squad/team...don't be the guy that lets his mates down.

    Your professional reputation starts the second you get off that bus.

    The more it sucks now, the funnier it will be later.....so keep it in perspective and keep your sense of humor.

    Don't quit.

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    Best of luck to you, I think what others have been saying here is pretty spot on. Remember: MP.Net supports you!

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    Well, all I can say is good luck! The Marine Corps is mostly what you make it. If you can find humor in the shi**y situations, you'll be alright. Just keep your head up, and you'll be marching across that sacred parade deck before you know it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Impartial Bias View Post
    From what most of my family has told me, it's that they attempt to brainwash you to a certain degree, in an attempt to kill off a portion of your individuality so that you will fit in better in a larger oragnization and unit. In short, they seek to alter your mind and mentality to better fit with their "image". It is important to remind yourself of what they are trying to do so as to maintain your individuality.
    My Grandfather realized this after he got out of the military and started studying Psychology and Sociology. In Basic Training, everything is repetitive. You are told things over and over again, or do things over and over again. It is thought that if you are told something enough times, you will begin to believe it, regardless of what you thought before. Even more, you do things as a group. You PT as a group, you run in formation together, you sleep together, you eat together, you get yelled at together, and you get punished together. This is used to destroy any feelings of individuality, so that you associate more with a group and your "reinvented self" than you do with your pre-military self. You are given an authority figure who yells at, punishes, and berates you.
    Don't over think it man. I never thought it was meant to brainwash me or break me down and re-build me. It's to make individuals realize that their mental and physical limits are a lot greater than they might think. The group stuff is about building a team mindset. Like sports in high school. Also, the USMC (at least in my day) was very big on encouraging everyone down to the lowest private to take the initiative, not sit around and wait for an authority/father figure to tell you what to do. Anyone who comes out of boot camp as a brainwashed zombie would actually be pretty useless. I don't doubt that your grand dad was a good guy, but I'm going to hazard a guess that the "independent thought and action" you describe that got him promoted to Sergeant Major and later Captain probably had something to do with taking the initiative and making a good decision in a bad situation (combat). For example, a platoon leader gets hit. Do you wait for a new lieutenant to show up? Or should a Sergeant step in and take over? Use whatever words you want, but it's not the same as someone telling you do to something one way and you thinking "No, I'll do it the way I want."

    If you go to boot camp and constantly think to yourself "They're trying to brainwash me and I must resist" you'll probably have problems. I don't know how things are now, but recruits used to get discharged from boot camp for failure to adapt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Death. View Post
    No, thank god. But do you think you need to be in the military to know how backwards everything in it is? May as well say you need to be a political analyst to understand politics. Out of this year's entire commissioning ROTC class at my university I think only 2 of them may actually be more productive than detrimental as managers, and all the enlisted friends I have do nothing but talk about how A went wrong and B is broken and there is no C, mostly because of such exact types of peoples who climb into the commissioned ranks and make a career out of being incompetent retards.
    I think the political analogy is stretching it... There are plenty of things backwards, but not all of it; actually I've found that things are the exact same way in a corporate setting as well. Ass-backwardness is relatively the same everywhere, civilian or mil... Those guys at your school might seem like incompetent officers, but have you ever seen them in a training environment, or can you say with certainty they won't get their heads on straight from experienced folks once they go active duty?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Impartial Bias View Post
    He asked for advice, I thought I'd give the best I've received from 3 generations of soldiers. But thanks anyways for your amusing post. -___-
    It really isn't your advice to give.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    Don't over think it man. I never thought it was meant to brainwash me or break me down and re-build me. It's to make individuals realize that their mental and physical limits are a lot greater than they might think. The group stuff is about building a team mindset. Like sports in high school. Also, the USMC (at least in my day) was very big on encouraging everyone down to the lowest private to take the initiative, not sit around and wait for an authority/father figure to tell you what to do. Anyone who comes out of boot camp as a brainwashed zombie would actually be pretty useless. I don't doubt that your grand dad was a good guy, but I'm going to hazard a guess that the "independent thought and action" you describe that got him promoted to Sergeant Major and later Captain probably had something to do with taking the initiative and making a good decision in a bad situation (combat). For example, a platoon leader gets hit. Do you wait for a new lieutenant to show up? Or should a Sergeant step in and take over? Use whatever words you want, but it's not the same as someone telling you do to something one way and you thinking "No, I'll do it the way I want."

    If you go to boot camp and constantly think to yourself "They're trying to brainwash me and I must resist" you'll probably have problems. I don't know how things are now, but recruits used to get discharged from boot camp for failure to adapt.
    Great post, James. I couldn't agree more. hope you and yours have been well

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    Quote Originally Posted by JC0352 View Post
    I think the political analogy is stretching it... There are plenty of things backwards, but not all of it; actually I've found that things are the exact same way in a corporate setting as well. Ass-backwardness is relatively the same everywhere, civilian or mil... Those guys at your school might seem like incompetent officers, but have you ever seen them in a training environment, or can you say with certainty they won't get their heads on straight from experienced folks once they go active duty?
    In my experience most lieutenants who end up doing well are either prior enlisted or newbies who, as soon as they show up, quietly ask the Platoon Sergeant to not let them make a fool of themselves.

    Things are the same in corporate America, the Government, and Law Enforcement. Honestly, I'm surprised at how well most organizations muddle through and can still be successful.

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