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    This is just laughable. As a voter. I don't give a crap about Bush's or Kerry's service record. It has nothing to do with running the country.

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    Cross posting this reply to both of the Bush NG threads.

    I sent this earlier today to CBS. Wishful thinking I know but I would LOVE to see Dan Rather apologizing in a primetime newscast!

    I'm contacting you to let you know that I'm finished watching CBS News and any of your related news programs.

    The reason for this is very simple. Your use of obvious forgeries during your hit piece on President Bush's National Guard service was shameful and despicable. The fact that you claim the story and documents were reviewed for six weeks is completely ridiculous. It took less than 48 hours for people on the Internet to find gaping holes in the validity of these documents. Added to that, the hit piece had Ben Barnes, a large individual Kerry contributor, as your back-up to the falsified story.

    The only way to remedy this situation is the following to happen in the next few days:

    1. Dan Rather must admit that he used forged documents in a prime time newscast.

    2. He must reveal his source of the documents.

    3. He must apologize to the viewers of CBS News for misleading them and admit that he used these documents and Barnes in an attempt to change voter's minds about the President.

    4. He must apologize to President Bush for this personal attack.

    5. The director of CBS News must also apologize, on air, for Dan Rather's behavior and the behavior of the crew behind the hit piece.

    Additionally you may want to begin outsourcing some of your document reviewers, fact-checkers and story analysts to proven entities on the Internet that often have to only Google a name to find a mistake.

    I will be contacting any businesses that have advertisements during your news shows asking them to withdraw their advertisements. Until you take steps to remedy your bias and apologize, I and my family will not be purchasing any of their products and will also email friends with requests to not buy from these businesses.

    One last thing, it would only be fair, since you've spent so much time on negative pieces on Bush's Vietnam era service, to also run a story on the Swift Boat Vets or the creators of "Stolen Honor."
    Devgru77, I totally agree about the service record not meaning much. I just think it's crazy that some members of the press are actively trying to get Kerry elected through lying.

    Besides Roosevelt didn't serve in the military and he did a pretty good job during WWII!

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    If Kerry loses, it's because of his own incompetance, and the miscalculations of his campaign staff. Most Americans don't give a flying fudge aboot Vietnam. I just think its funny how the Democratic party is pushing a Vietnam vet who served in a war that they despised (at least after JFK), and was ended by none other that dirty rat Nixon (who Kerry bad mouthed). I mean, their campaign is so back asswards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devgru77
    If Kerry loses, it's because of his own incompetance, and the miscalculations of his campaign staff. Most Americans don't give a flying fudge aboot Vietnam. I just think its funny how the Democratic party is pushing a Vietnam vet who served in a war that they despised (at least after JFK), and was ended by none other that dirty rat Nixon (who Kerry bad mouthed). I mean, their campaign is so back asswards.
    You are so right, what a terrible campaign. Now I'm sure everybody here knows my feelings toward Bush...but how the hell can Kerry and his advisers convince anybody he would be better on issues like Iraq, and terrorism when they can't even effectively manage their own campaign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ekie
    Now the story is getting branches, new question is, when will Dan Rather be fired/quit/say he is sorry, and who was that "expert"?
    When, well today, way to late. Who was the "expert", well the "expert" already reneged. So now the question remaining, who done it?

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    EXCLUSIVE // Mon Sep 20 2004 11:58:02 ET
    STATEMENT FROM DAN RATHER:

    Last week, amid increasing questions about the authenticity of documents used in support of a 60 MINUTES WEDNESDAY story about President Bush's time in the Texas Air National Guard, CBS News vowed to re-examine the documents in question—and their source—vigorously. And we promised that we would let the American public know what this examination turned up, whatever the outcome.

    Now, after extensive additional interviews, I no longer have the confidence in these documents that would allow us to continue vouching for them journalistically. I find we have been misled on the key question of how our source for the documents came into possession of these papers. That, combined with some of the questions that have been raised in public and in the press, leads me to a point where—if I knew then what I know now—I would not have gone ahead with the story as it was aired, and I certainly would not have used the documents in question.

    But we did use the documents. We made a mistake in judgment, and for that I am sorry. It was an error that was made, however, in good faith and in the spirit of trying to carry on a CBS News tradition of investigative reporting without fear or favoritism.

    Please know that nothing is more important to us than people's trust in our ability and our commitment to report fairly and truthfully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XASA
    Look, I respect your right to believe anything you want, just don't expect other people accept your admitted biased political views as being the sole and only truth.
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    Ah, a perfect study in how to spread propaganda:............
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    It'll be interesting to see if CBS is part of a great liberal media conspiracy or if this is just another example of how true believers become convinced that they are more news savvy then the rest of us poor dumb slobs
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    You left out the operative word "might" as in "Might be Fake" in the story's headline, the fact that the experts on this pro-Republican website were only venturing a guess and that CBS' experts had vetted the docs. Nice try though.
    Quote Originally Posted by XASA

    Of course, it's still CBS' experts' word against those of other experts, but, like I said earlier in this thread, propaganda only works on those who are already convinced. No matter the outcome of this story, the true believers are already dead certain and no matter what proof CBS presents they won't believe it.

    This is still a perfect case study in how a story is reported, than questioned, then defended. I can't wait to see how it plays out over the next few days.
    Try thinking for yourself next time, rather then simply drinking the Kool-Aid being served by the "network news" like a "poor dumb slob". If you would have taken just a few minutes to look at the documents posted right on CBS's website, you would have avoided the egg on your face Rather is wearing.

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    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in641481.shtml

    (CBS/AP) CBS News on Monday said it regretted broadcasting a story about President Bush's military service based on documents whose authenticity is in doubt, saying the source of the material had misled the network.

    CBS News Anchor Dan Rather, the reporter of the original story, apologized.

    In a statement, CBS said former Texas Guard official Bill Burkett "has acknowledged that he provided the now-disputed documents" and "admits that he deliberately misled the CBS News producer working on the report, giving her a false account of the documents' origins to protect a promise of confidentiality to the actual source."

    The network did not say the memoranda — purportedly written by one of Mr. Bush's National Guard commanders — were forgeries. But the network did say it could not authenticate the documents and that it should not have reported them.

    "Based on what we now know, CBS News cannot prove that the documents are authentic, which is the only acceptable journalistic standard to justify using them in the report," said the statement by CBS News President Andrew Heyward. "We should not have used them. That was a mistake, which we deeply regret.

    "Nothing is more important to us than our credibility and keeping faith with the millions of people who count on us for fair, accurate, reliable, and independent reporting," Heyward continued. "We will continue to work tirelessly to be worthy of that trust."

    Additional reporting on the documents will air on Monday's CBS Evening News, including the interview of Burkett by Rather. CBS News pledged "an independent review of the process by which the report was prepared and broadcast to help determine what actions need to be taken."

    In a separate statement, Rather said that "after extensive additional interviews, I no longer have the confidence in these documents that would allow us to continue vouching for them journalistically."

    "I find we have been misled on the key question of how our source for the documents came into possession of these papers," he said.

    "We made a mistake in judgment, and for that I am sorry," Rather added.

    The authenticity of the documents — four memoranda attributed to Guard commander Lt. Col. Jerry Killian — has been under fire since they were described in a Sept. 8 broadcast of 60 Minutes.

    CBS had not previously revealed who provided the documents or how they were obtained.
    Burkett has previously alleged that in 1997 he witnessed allies of then-Gov. Bush discussing the destruction of Guard files that might embarrass Mr. Bush, who was considering a run for the presidency. Bush aides have denied the charge.

    In the statement, CBS said: "Burkett originally said he obtained the documents from another former Guardsman. Now he says he got them from a different source whose connection to the documents and identity CBS News has been unable to verify to this point."

    Questions about the president's National Guard service have lingered for years. Some critics question how Mr. Bush got into the Guard when there were waiting lists of young men hoping to join it to escape the draft and possible service in Vietnam.

    In the Sept. 8 60 Minutes report, former Texas Lt. Gov. Ben Barnes — a Democrat — claimed that, at the behest of a friend of the Bush family, he pulled strings to get young George W. Bush into the Guard.

    Other questions concern why Mr. Bush missed a physical in 1972, and why there are scant records of any service by Mr. Bush during the latter part of 1972, a period during which he transferred to an Alabama guard unit so he could work on a campaign there.

    The CBS documents suggested that Mr. Bush had disobeyed a direct order to attend the physical, and that there were other lapses in his performance. One memo also indicated that powerful allies of the Bush family were pressuring the guard to "sugar coat" any investigation of Lt. Bush's service.

    Skeptics immediately seized on the typing in the memos, which included a superscripted "th" not found on all 1970s-era typewriters. As the controversy raged, CBS broadcast interviews with experts who said that some typewriters from that period could have produced the markings in question.

    Other critics saw factual errors in the documents, stylistic differences with other writing by Killian and incorrect military lingo.

    Some relatives of Col. Killian disputed that the memos were real. His former secretary said the sentiments regarding Mr. Bush's failures as an officer were genuine, but the documents were not.

    Some document experts whom CBS consulted for the story told newspapers they had raised doubts before the broadcast and were ignored. CBS disputed their accounts, pointing to the main document expert the network consulted, Marcel Matley.

    Matley insisted he had vouched for the authenticity of the signatures on the memos, but had not determined whether the documents themselves were genuine.

    Last week, CBS News stood by its reporting while vowing to continue working the story. The network acknowledged there were questions about the documents and pledged to try to answer them.

    Mr. Bush maintains that he did not get special treatment in getting into the Guard, and that he fulfilled all duties. He was honorably discharged.

    On Saturday, a White House official said Mr. Bush has reviewed the disputed documents that purport to show he refused orders to take a physical examination in 1972, and did not recall having seen them previously.

    In his first public comment on the documents controversy, the president told The Union Leader of Manchester, N.H., "There are a lot of questions about the documents, and they need to be answered."

    The Bush campaign has alleged that their Democratic rivals were somehow involved in the story. John Kerry's campaign denies it. In an email revealed last week, Burkett said he had contacted the Kerry campaign but received no response.

    Meanwhile, a federal judge has ordered the Pentagon to find and make public by next week any unreleased files about Mr. Bush's Vietnam-era Air National Guard service to resolve a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit filed by the Associated Press.

    The White House and Defense Department have on several occasions claimed that they had released all the documents only to make additional records available later on.

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