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    Missile defense cooperation with Russia, including the use of Russian radars, would benefit the United States, Director of the Missile Defense Agency Lt. Gen. Patrick O'Reilly said.

    O'Reilly testified before a Senate panel about the Missile Defense Agency’s requested budget for 2013.

    “There actually are [Russian] capabilities that we could benefit from. It's primarily - in first place is their sensors, their large sensors that they have for their homeland defense,” he told the Senate Appropriations defense subcommittee.

    “The location of Russia itself, looking through - from the - Europe all the way across through Asia, including Northeast Asia, gives - would give us the opportunity to view threats very early in their flight, if we were able to observe. And their ability to observe flight testing done by other countries would, in fact, provide us beneficial information,” he went on.

    U.S. administration officials have repeatedly said that missile cooperation between Washington and Moscow will benefit both sides. However, no practical steps have been made so far.

    O'Reilly said, however, that he was unaware of any “specific proposals” in Russia-U.S. missile defense cooperation talks.

    “The nature of our work has typically been when the Russian government claims that we are building capability to upset the strategic balance. We've been able to analyze that and provide them data to show we are not - where the errors are in their estimates, such as missiles flying faster than anyone's ever built, and so forth,” the official said.

    “So I am unaware, first of all, of what those specific proposals are,” he went on. “But also I have never been given any instructions to consider limiting the development of our system.”

    WASHINGTON, April 19 (RIA Novosti)


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    The Russians would allow the U.S to use their radars?...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MUSHROOM123 View Post
    The Russians would allow the U.S to use their radars?...
    Proposals were made by Russia to to the US on the use of our Radar system in Azerbaijan, This one if I'm not mistaken: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabala_Radar_Station
    The US promptly declined the invitation.

    *Edit* to preempt any "oh that system is too ancient" arguments, I'd like to say that had the plan been agreed on we could rapidly modernize the base to our current Voronezh standard. At least as quick, probably quicker than building the whole missile shield would take. That would give anybody the perfect detection facility for Iranian missiles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximmmm View Post
    Proposals were made by Russia to to the US on the use of our Radar system in Azerbaijan, This one if I'm not mistaken: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabala_Radar_Station
    The US promptly declined the invitation.
    If the Russians are willing to cooperate on this issue ,the U.S should make a compromise on the missile shield because the real threat is the Ayatollahs,not Russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MUSHROOM123 View Post
    If the Russians are willing to cooperate on this issue ,the U.S should make a compromise on the missile shield because the real threat is the Ayatollahs,not Russia.
    Amen, but tell that to the US government.

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    Calling C.Puffs to this thread....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximmmm View Post
    Proposals were made by Russia to to the US on the use of our Radar system in Azerbaijan, This one if I'm not mistaken: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabala_Radar_Station
    The US promptly declined the invitation.
    The previous Russian proposal to use Azerbaijan cooperatively had a condition required that no BMD missiles or radars be based in Eastern Europe, it was rejected for that reason. The US and NATO have offered multiple times to partner with with Russia in joint BMD exercises, to establish and share joint BMD command centers in Eurasia, and to establish a joint strategy for responding to rogue Ballistic Missile threats. Russia has rejected those overtures because the US will not agree to legally binding assurances that the NATO shield would not be able to intercept Russian missiles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halidon View Post
    The previous Russian proposal to use Azerbaijan cooperatively had a condition required that no BMD missiles or radars be based in Eastern Europe, it was rejected for that reason. The US and NATO have offered multiple times to partner with with Russia in joint BMD exercises, to establish and share joint BMD command centers in Eurasia, and to establish a joint strategy for responding to rogue Ballistic Missile threats. Russia has rejected those overtures because the US will not agree to legally binding assurances that the NATO shield would not be able to intercept Russian missiles.
    Aye true, also east-european countries got really psyched out when the idea of joint operations of bases came up.
    If the US wants it so badly, sign a leally binding document and bada boom bada bing you have your shield.

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    Such a treaty would never get ratified by the Senate in the current environment, and would be used as a political bludgeon. Additionally, the fights over what constituted an ability to intercept Russian missiles would only continue, as would Russian opposition to Eastern European BMD sites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halidon View Post
    Such a treaty would never get ratified by the Senate in the current environment, and would be used as a political bludgeon. Additionally, the fights over what constituted an ability to intercept Russian missiles would only continue, as would Russian opposition to Eastern European BMD sites.
    Yeah, US politicians are pretty useless nowadays. As for other elements, I'm not sure if it's a good comparison but I don't remember us raising any issues of any kind when individual european nations upgrade their tech, including AA capabilities. It's the US operated base we generally get pissed off at.

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    Any confirmation from american sources? it seems to be just another russian fantasy hoax. Lt. G. O'Reilly indeed testified 18 april in front of the Senate Appropriations Committee Subcommittee on Defense. (Check out RIA variant, these jerks've translated this "news" from russian ). But I doubt he would bother to talk about cooperation with Russia while talking about money stuff. Money talks are about "check I did this, I want to do this", about real things not some geopolitical crap.
    It would be appropriate to do in front of the Foreign Relations Committee, but I don't see any chance of such act there either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximmmm View Post
    Yeah, US politicians are pretty useless nowadays.
    well the Russian politicians are not better then US that's for sure !!

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