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    Quote Originally Posted by Telmar View Post
    Did not know the economy blew apart there. OK, more understandable.
    What is more worrying for St Pierre is that Total withdrew its prospections in 2009 and hasn't resumed them since.

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    Sarkozy is proposing 3 debates.

    The Hollande side seems to reject any more than one. Maybe a good tactic from Sarkozy.

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    I think he'll be content to rack up the Centrist and extreme-left voters while being vocal about the UMP's attempt to get the FN votes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCR View Post
    I wonder how far will Hollande go to pander to Le Pen voters?
    He needs a few of their votes, after all.
    Or will he try to avoid that in order not to alienate his own supporters?
    He will not (as said previously it is regular to have 50% of FN voters coming back to the right, 25% to the left and 25% abstaining)
    He will have to pander the far left a bit though
    And the center too

    The one who direly needs the whole bunch of far right votes is the outsider aka N.S now
    As well as some center votes too

    edit : AF beat me on this one

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atlantic Friend View Post
    I think he'll be content to rack up the Centrist and extreme-left voters while being vocal about the UMP's attempt to get the FN votes.
    As usual. Hollande just needs to sit tight through the next 2 weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCR View Post
    Why not, if you want money from someone the least you can do is bow courteously
    call it a clear submission to a communist regime rulling the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Telmar View Post
    As usual. Hollande just needs to sit tight through the next 2 weeks.
    Nah
    the gap between both is not so huge imo
    Both will have to gather as much supporters as possible

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kongjun33 View Post
    call it a clear submission to a communist regime rulling the world.
    Should we prepare to welcome our new Chinese Overlord then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Telmar View Post
    Sarkozy is proposing 3 debates.

    The Hollande side seems to reject any more than one. Maybe a good tactic from Sarkozy.
    I do think it is a sound tactic from Hollande. Porcinet knows that calling Sarkozy names (pardon the pun) will pretty much kill his entourage. The TF1 debate with Peillon and Raffarin went south very quickly. The Socialist have Sarkozy cornered and beaten, no need to help him out by letting him talk. They will probably have a debate on monday 30 April and that will be it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivan le Fou View Post
    Should we prepare to welcome our new Chinese Overlord then?
    If we don't bow we will run out of cheap plastic toys.
    We can't risk running out of cheap plastic toys so we bow.

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    Since the 2nd round is a whole new game, Hollande doesn't even have to court the extreme-left very actively. He'll get most of their votes by default (something Sarkozy cannot do with the FN to the same extent). If he wins the Centre, then it's a shoo-in I guess. Oh well. Won't stop me from putting my two cents in the little blue envelope in May and kick voting participation up a notch!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KoTeMoRe View Post
    I do think it is a sound tactic from Hollande. Porcinet knows that calling Sarkozy names (pardon the pun) will pretty much kill his entourage. The TF1 debate with Peillon and Raffarin went south very quickly. The Socialist have Sarkozy cornered and beaten, no need to help him out by letting him talk. They will probably have a debate on monday 30 April and that will be it.
    I agree: Sarkozy needs to speak out in a debate, especially since he is pretty good in debates. And Hollande IMO is in a good dynamic that could get hurt by speaking too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KoTeMoRe View Post
    The Socialist have Sarkozy cornered and beaten, no need to help him out by letting him talk. They will probably have a debate on monday 30 April and that will be it.
    Then it'll only be good form for the UMP to point out Hollande is afraid to debate before the nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atlantic Friend View Post
    Then it'll only be good form for the UMP to point out Hollande is afraid to debate before the nation.

    To which the PS will answer that there is nothing to debate on 17 years of debt growth from the Right. There are better ways to debate when you own the lead. Indirect fencing proved way more interesting for Porcinet than head on attacks.

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    Indeed, and they won't fail to point it out. But well, voters do not care. At any rate, the debate can shift 1-2% of votes according to conventional political wisdom.

    The Left is at its 2002 level, but this time less fragmented and with a candidate running for a second term. It remains to be seen wheter as an incumbent, Sarkozy is as discredited as Chirac was at the time. In 2002, had Jospin made it to the 2nd round, all polls showed he would have a clear win, so discredited was Chirac... On one hand Sarkozy can, IMO, count on a more fervent support from a part of the electorate. On the other hand, his rejection level is considerably higher.

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