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    Quote Originally Posted by Mordoror View Post
    Ah muck
    You know that if the word that Gemany is supporting N.S spreads in France, he is sure to lose
    Really? I have friends in France (Gironde) and they say the general consensus is that Germany is France's best ally and both should better make their own European Union...

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    Quote Originally Posted by muck View Post
    Really? I have friends in France (Gironde) and they say the general consensus is that Germany is France's best ally and both should better make their own European Union...
    I'm not sure but I think Mordoror is making a pun... N.S. Nicolas Sarkozy/National Socialism.

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    So what? Sarkozy is going to be ousted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MUSHROOM123 View Post
    So what? Sarkozy is going to be ousted?
    And most likely replaced with a socialist who has no idea about the seriousness of the issue and is going to try and solve what is a debt crisis with MORE DEBT!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkzzy View Post
    And most likely replaced with a socialist who has no idea about the seriousness of the issue and is going to try and solve what is a debt crisis with MORE DEBT!
    Soviet France...anyway,as an Israeli i hope that he will not win because he is probably very anti Israel. If people will vote for him ,it's because they think that socialism will make their lives better ,but he will destroy the economy by spending too much...

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    Quote Originally Posted by muck View Post
    Really? I have friends in France (Gironde) and they say the general consensus is that Germany is France's best ally and both should better make their own European Union...
    Not the feeling in left wing of political spectrum, with all the "Merkozy" BS ...

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    Really? I have friends in France (Gironde) and they say the general consensus is that Germany is France's best ally and both should better make their own European Union...
    Quote Originally Posted by Soulman View Post
    I'm not sure but I think Mordoror is making a pun... N.S. Nicolas Sarkozy/National Socialism.
    Hum not a pun ..... or not in that way
    I am not wrong though.
    Muck, indeed we are (the majority of French people) for a better european integration
    However, there is a rampant back noise that some of our choices are already dictated from Berlin
    French people already dislike somehow what is dictated from Bruxelles
    If you ad on that a Merkel hand on french economical policy, i don't see ending too well
    Beside that N.S has the habit to look abroad for examples that are not applicable as such in France
    On the very begining of his mandate, he was citing as example England, now it is Germany, forgetting that all three countries (UK, Germany, France) have different stories, administrative organization, mentality and population
    The "too rigid" germanic mentality as seen by the frenchs is not always too well welcomed here

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    Oooh I shall miss Serko_zy

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    a leftist will win?
    lol
    france is ****ed even more than it already is

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    Soviet France
    a leftist will win?
    lol
    france is ****ed even more than it already is
    Guys, first it is not done yet
    Second point is as i said (in my previous post, previous page), no matter who wins, both will have hands bound by the economical situation.
    As for external policy (for those who thinks that France will turn anti israeli for example) this is all BS. Maybe you should open an history book to check the ties between both countries

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    Haven't been convinced by none of the candidates. They are all the same in the end.

    They say the same things or just attack each others. It doesn't feel like we are putting a government in place, but electing someone instead.

    Plus all the "look at what he did! It is terrible! He is bad! He shouldn't have done that!" thing makes me feel I am watching a bunch of kids fighting in a sandbox...

    Having the left in power? It would not change a lot of things compared to having the right in power. Hollande is perhaps the more experienced even if he hasn't done anything and not very supported by his fellow left wing politicians (I guess they won't miss the occasion to criticize/back stab him if they have the chance).
    Having Le Pen as a president? Not sure it would be a good idea for France it would even make everything worse, but at least this would make me laugh for a few minutes.
    Melanchon? Who is he? What has he achieved? Those criticizing Hollande saying he hasn't done anything and supporting Melanchon don't seem to realize that he is just the same as Hollande.
    As for Bayrou... well. No thanks. This guy has absolutely no charisma.

    As Mordoror just said the economic situation will limit the actions of the winner. But since everybody knows that the catastrophic economic situation of France is Sarkozy's fault it won't be such a big deal after all, since the winner (whoever it will be) knows how to improve things.

    Wouldn't vote if I could, but I can't since I am not registered on the lists anyway.

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    I want also to add something: President is for foreign policy, Prime minister is for internal policy.

    Under Sarkozy's reign (more acting as a king than a president to me...) he took control of the 2 things.

    But, you may have a president with a certain political color and a prime minister with an other: it happened by the past.

    The real power is not for this election but after: the election for deputies.

    There will be the real power to vote the law.

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    http://www.rtbf.be/

    Hollande aheadof Sarkozy.

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    If Sarkozy loses, he can blame himself for a lot of it. The issue for me is that Hollande will have to go with Melenchon, whose democratic principles are questionable, but also the rest of the socialist party organization, composed of very strong personalities and clans.

    Hollande might be a very decent guy, but he lacks any authority even among his own. For that reason, he was never trusted for any role of executive function.

    He will be overwhelmed by foreign leaders and internal domestic power plays. That is probably the major problem of his victory.

    As Mordoror said, margin of manoeuvers are very narrow for any leader.

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    Don't fear Hollande.
    If he raises taxes, the rich or companies will leave France. He is not insane.
    I remember 1998 when Schroeder came into power here. A socialist-green coalition.
    Everyone predicted the end of Germany.
    The result was a package of reforms the conservatives never had the balls for.

    I think only a left can reform social securtiy without raising protests.
    Overall, Hollande seems to be more clever than Sarko.

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