Global Warming is FAKE (Neil Degrasse Tyson vs Bob Lutz)

[C.Puffs]

Don't argue with the man

What's to argue? Climate changes, and has done so since the Earth formed an atmosphere. What I want to see is proof that it would be better and cheaper to try to regulate Earth's climate than not to.

[Mackie]

Surely you have some examples? I'd also be interested in seeing the studies that show how it would be cheaper to attempt to maintain Earth's climate as-is than to let it takes its course.

The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers now considers SLR in many EISs involving ports and coastal waterways. For example, a 2010 EIS for the Mississippi River Gulf Outlet Ecosystem Restoration Study in Louisiana provides a comprehensive analysis of climate change impacts on SLR. This coastal wetlands restoration plan considers the likely impacts of SLR on wetlands in the Mississippi delta, including submersion, subsidence and shoreline retreat, and discusses mitigation measures which may reduce wetlands loss. It also considers the effect of intensified storm surges, risks to the New Orleans metropolitan area, and the effect of saltwater intrusion on freshwater habitat and drinking water supply. While citing high scientific uncertainty about the degree of SLR, the EIS uses available modeling techniques to produce projections through the end of the century and calls for further study of the issue.

http://blogs.law.columbia.edu/climat...ct-statements/

http://www.guambuildupeis.us/documen...ve_Impacts.pdf

[dunemetal]

Did that bald guy steal Macs sweater?

James "Drag a $10 bill through a trailer park" Carville? Never know what he will do. Be a good guy to have at a party, tho.

[L-107]

Don't know much about climate changes as in real differences in the US but i can say that from where i am mother nature has started smoking weed.

I mean people still say we have 4 seasons but from ehere i look at it i can only see 2 perhaps 3 if the weed runs out.

The storms are more severe then i can remember. Also we used to have regular rains in what was autumn and spring .


In the summer there were storms . Now i only see 1 perhaps 2 so called rains over a period of 3 to 4 moths. And you usualy get now a lot of rain in the spring and none in the autumn . And that means no snow in the winter.

However since we have temperatures of up to 20 celsius on ocasions in late november.....it doesnt really matter.


Mother nature is out of place.....!


Farmers are terrified by this .....! And the fact that over here agriculture is done the old fashion way ......!

[seasch]

What I want to see is proof that it would be better and cheaper to try to regulate Earth's climate than not to.

How many people live in places, that are already hot and would not be able to survive (meaning be able to grow crops) if the temperature goes up 7 °C? What is the price of moving a Texan farmer into the north of Canada? Multiply this with tens- or hundreds of thousands and you have a start.

[Dirtydiaper]

How many people live in places, that are already hot and would not be able to survive (meaning be able to grow crops) if the temperature goes up 7 °C? What is the price of moving a Texan farmer into the north of Canada? Multiply this with tens- or hundreds of thousands and you have a start.

Those guys are living out of my pocket by not being born in areas with mountains. You can't seriously expect me to pay more for a renewable energy source just because they are to lazy to build houses on stilts.

http://blogs.law.columbia.edu/climat...ct-statements/

http://www.guambuildupeis.us/documen...ve_Impacts.pdf

Obvious fake liberal bias blog. Jesus.
And who was the author? Never heard of him.



Here, read:
http://blog.heritage.org/2010/06/26/wind-power-is-more-dangerous-than-coal-or-oil/
This dude was the f*cking Senior Event guide at Disney Vacation Club! He knows his sh*t.

[DS73]

Don't know much about climate changes as in real differences in the US but i can say that from where i am mother nature has started smoking weed.

I mean people still say we have 4 seasons but from ehere i look at it i can only see 2 perhaps 3 if the weed runs out.

The storms are more severe then i can remember. Also we used to have regular rains in what was autumn and spring .


In the summer there were storms . Now i only see 1 perhaps 2 so called rains over a period of 3 to 4 moths. And you usualy get now a lot of rain in the spring and none in the autumn . And that means no snow in the winter.

However since we have temperatures of up to 20 celsius on ocasions in late november.....it doesnt really matter.


Mother nature is out of place.....!


Farmers are terrified by this .....! And the fact that over here agriculture is done the old fashion way ......!

We are in the first half of the normal delayed solar cycle. It seems that it's going to be like "no 10" which started in 1855.
Our (no 24) started in 2008.
Here is description of the cycle no10 for Minnesota.
"Anomalously cool temperatures, particularly during the summers, with precipitation extremes, both droughts and deluges, featured the 1860's’ weather in Minnesota. The long-term cooling trend having reached its lowest, average temperature for the decade, 41 F, using St. Paul Smithsonian records, was the coolest of any of the five thus far, but also the coolest of any of the thirteen since. To those that lived through it, however, the most memorable meteorological features were probably the precipitation extremes. A protracted drought gripped the State from Fall 1862 through early Summer 1865, abruptly followed by torrential rains over much of the remaining 1865 summer. Additional, extraordinarily heavy rains came over June/July 1867 and August/September 1869. Counting the heavy snowfall induced spring runoffs of 1861, 1862, and 1866 (the latter affecting outstate areas primarily) there were more high water and flooding episodes during the 1860's (five) than all the other previous four decades combined. The 1862-65 drought was the worst since the arrival of whites, raising questions about the nature of the climate here, in addition to causing low-river-stage problems that hindered the export of wheat surplus by steamboat.
Thermal anomaly-wise, this was the decade of cool summers, average temperature of the Junes, Julys and Augusts in St. Paul just 67 F, nearly 4 F colder than the modern day normal and 3 F lower than those of the 1850's at Fort Snelling. Ninety degree weather was a comparatively rare event during these summers, killing frosts felt in both July and August 1863. Other reports of frost from outstate areas came in August 1860, June 1864, and June and August 1866 . A major exception to this was the hot July of 1868, the warmest since July 1830. This was followed just two months later, though, by the coolest September in recorded history down to the present. Other thermal comparisons with the 1850’s had the 1860’s' winters 1 F warmer, the springs 1 F colder, and the falls 2 F colder.

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Focus is on 1860-1863

And yeah, apparently there should be a major solar storm.

[Sarig]

And yeah, apparently there should be a major solar storm.

The northern lights were spectacual, I'm telling you.

[remo williams]

C-puffs, you may want to check this out. According to this Kari Norgaard, your thread heading is grounds for incarceration,and "treatment."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...sm-racism.html

I guess she recently wrote to the pres to ask him to ignore democracy, and the constitution, in regards to climate change,global warming,greenhouse gases,carbon emissions, whatever they're calling it this week.

[DS73]

The northern lights were spectacual, I'm telling you.

Damn english language and it's ambiguity . For a moment I've understood something quite different. I've used this phrase quite a few times myself in that "other meaning"...And than I've remembered what happened already last month...
March storm was just a warming up. Muscles flexing. The sh&t should come at the end of this year or during 2013 (more probable). And the chance of it's falling on our asses is quite high. The example, of what I am talking about, you can find in the description of 10th cycle.
Foil hats will be dangerous to wear .

[eskachig]

What I want to see is proof that it would be better and cheaper to try to regulate Earth's climate than not to.

Costs and projections of the costs of ignoring the changes, as well as costs of efforts for us to adapt to climate change, are available and out there. IPCC report cites many of them. Peer reviewed research is the closest thing you'll ever get to proof in this area, but I doubt that you'll be convinced.

[C.Puffs]

Costs and projections of the costs of ignoring the changes, as well as costs of efforts for us to adapt to climate change, are available and out there. IPCC report cites many of them. Peer reviewed research is the closest thing you'll ever get to proof in this area, but I doubt that you'll be convinced.

If the government didn't constantly lowball expenses I'd be more open to being convinced (of their estimates). It's become so politicized it's almost pointless to even bother.

[BlackFlag]

The question isn't whether climate is changing. It's whether Human activity has caused, or is expediting it.

You see, the idea of climate change is very beneficial to those in positions able to exploit it. Governments have used the threat of climate change to draw up new taxes, and regulations, and the private sector is making a killing off of "going green".

[shermbodius]

I get a kick out of the blowhards thinking that the population can control the planet. Stuff will happen but the only real thing we can control is a nuke winter.

[C.Puffs]

I get a kick out of the blowhards thinking that the population can control the planet. Stuff will happen but the only real thing we can control is a nuke winter.

I'm reminded of the story of the ant riding a log floating down a river - thinking he was steering it.