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    Quote Originally Posted by shermbodius View Post
    I am half Mexican for the record. I am too lite skinned do to my Swedish Grandmother to prove it. So let the hater's hate! BWAAAHHHAAAA!!!
    I imagine my germanic and celtic ancestors rolled in their grave when the dirty red skin Injun blood was introduced into our line. Of course, that explains why I like to dance and sing to the great spirits around the fire, while drinking mah whisky and bier with bagpipes gently keening on the ipod.

    And the "net migration to zero" BS is nice propaganda, but would be highly disputed by the U.S. citizens who live on the border. Especially those in Texas, who are having to arm themselves and patrol their own lands.

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    You know the economy is in the toilet when even illegals don't want to come here. I'll bet Barry spins this into, "I solved the problem of illegal immigration".

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    Quote Originally Posted by panzrman View Post
    And the "net migration to zero" BS is nice propaganda, but would be highly disputed by the U.S. citizens who live on the border. Especially those in Texas, who are having to arm themselves and patrol their own lands.
    Net migration zero doesn't mean no new immigrants, nor does it mean that all the immigrants have left. It also doesn't mean that different states/areas will have uniform rates of immigration/emigrations.

    Quote Originally Posted by shermbodius View Post
    I am half Mexican for the record. I am too lite skinned do to my Swedish Grandmother to prove it. So let the hater's hate! BWAAAHHHAAAA!!!
    Swedes are genetically racist. Look at Leapers posts

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    Quote Originally Posted by C.Puffs View Post
    You know the economy is in the toilet when even illegals don't want to come here. I'll bet Barry spins this into, "I solved the problem of illegal immigration".

    Made me think of this joke...

    “Obama was so low in the polls even the Kenyans were saying he was born in the United States.”

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    You know guys, if we were to outsource the remaining jobs in the USA and Canada to, Mexico, and Central and South America, the problem would most likely be corrected.


    So, who's with me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by memfisa View Post
    You know guys, if we were to outsource the remaining jobs in the USA and Canada to, Mexico, and Central and South America, the problem would most likely be corrected.


    So, who's with me?
    And don't forget the $10 million checks for everybody. We'll live like Euros yet.

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    Since the ICE raid at Swift meat packing plant in the small town of Cactus a few years ago the illegal population around here seems to have vanished. In this case enforcement worked and had little impact on the businesses that traditionally hired them. Their replacements came from California. It all works out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by armored_diplomacy View Post
    Yep, true there, but even though I´m against illegal immigration I couldn´t make a general statement against every illegal; some of them, if not most, are just trying to get a better life and don´t abuse of the new home (rather contribute).
    They shouldn´t break that country´s laws to star but ... when you´re desperated, you don´t think about that.
    I wanna take the last part back, please.
    Definitively, after a recent Arg. Supreme Court rule, I definitively want to take that back.

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    How does the source come up with the number of 12 million? (If we don't know how many non-citizens are even here!?) (I say it is much higher, 15-18 million, at this point!)
    Oride, I will actually interact with you on this one. The problem is two-fold, the American business that hires the illegal alien and the illegal alien, maybe three-fold the country of origin. Every post I see from you, you only point to the American-side, not to the individual nor the country they came from. In this case, Mexico is a horrible neighbor! (Something is really wrong when a quarter of that country is running down the fence to get in mine!) They are NOT taking care of THEIR people and the Mexican govt has encouraged ITS people to cross the border into another country, illegally. And then American is just "suppose" to "accept" them, with no questions asked. And if we (America) does, then were the bad guy!? I know of no other nation that operates in this fashion? If you or I show up in Angola, Mozambique, Peru, Cambodia, or Azerbaijan, we da*n well better have a passport and/or visa! The authorities of those countries are not going to entertain the nonsense you (and many like you share) We will be thrown in the local jail until we can get ahold of our embassy and receive help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panzrman View Post
    I imagine my germanic and celtic ancestors rolled in their grave when the dirty red skin Injun blood was introduced into our line. Of course, that explains why I like to dance and sing to the great spirits around the fire, while drinking mah whisky and bier with bagpipes gently keening on the ipod.

    And the "net migration to zero" BS is nice propaganda, but would be highly disputed by the U.S. citizens who live on the border. Especially those in Texas, who are having to arm themselves and patrol their own lands.
    Really? That's odd, because I keep reading in newspapers and magazines how El Paso, Texas, just across the border from Ciudad Juarez, Chihuahua keeps being voted into the top ten safest U.S. cities with populations of 500,000 and above. With a population of 80% hispanic, mostly of Mexican descent and 1.5 million mexicans on the other side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fargin View Post
    Obama's chasing off the cheap labourers, he clearly wants America to fail.
    Not really. If anything, this is helping the real citizens wether born or naturalized to find enployment. Does it pay well, not so much. But for alot of americans, this is better than being jobless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haze99 View Post
    How does the source come up with the number of 12 million? (If we don't know how many non-citizens are even here!?) (I say it is much higher, 15-18 million, at this point!)
    Oride, I will actually interact with you on this one. The problem is two-fold, the American business that hires the illegal alien and the illegal alien, maybe three-fold the country of origin. Every post I see from you, you only point to the American-side, not to the individual nor the country they came from. In this case, Mexico is a horrible neighbor! (Something is really wrong when a quarter of that country is running down the fence to get in mine!) They are NOT taking care of THEIR people and the Mexican govt has encouraged ITS people to cross the border into another country, illegally. And then American is just "suppose" to "accept" them, with no questions asked. And if we (America) does, then were the bad guy!? I know of no other nation that operates in this fashion? If you or I show up in Angola, Mozambique, Peru, Cambodia, or Azerbaijan, we da*n well better have a passport and/or visa! The authorities of those countries are not going to entertain the nonsense you (and many like you share) We will be thrown in the local jail until we can get ahold of our embassy and receive help.
    Humans have been migrating since busting out of Africa for eons ago.
    The average American have probably moved 10 times in their lifetime. Wether its for school, work or familiy situations. It no different on the international scale. International borders and the protection thereof is a new concept in human history. It's only been less than 150 years the idea of a passport or visa is needed to reside in another country.

    You are correct there is a push-pull effect on human migration. The Irish Potato Famine and discriminatory English Laws forced many Irish to migrate to North America. The Taiping Rebellion and the wake of the Opium Wars in China encouraged or gang pressed the Chinese to emigrate abroad including California.

    To understand Mexican migration, you need to understand the history of Mexico. In 1911 there was a brutal Revolution that overthrew a 50 year autocratic government. Only to be followed by infighting. (Think Lybia 2012 x20). Many Mexicans including my Great Grandparents were refugees in the Imperial Valley in California.

    For another 70 years Mexico eventually settled down but it became a centralized semi-socialist single party state under direction of the PRI. The markets were regulated, no body got rich, but no body starved either. However the average Mexican family had 10 kids. During the same time the US underwent a boom and the demand for labor has been high, and it was availbale over the border.

    Since the fall of the PRI party, Mexico has slowly been liberalizing its economy. Education and low population rates has mitigated the need to migrate abroad. The biggest trade issue with Mexico is not with the United States but with Brazil imposing import restrictions on Mexican cars.

    If there is a time for immigration reform in our country it is now. We have an aging population, a slagging economy, and new global competitors.
    The only nation's that will be in better position to grow are the one's with a healthy birthrate and progressive immigration policies.

    Immigration reform must be based on the economic, educational, social and strategic needs of our country. A policy such as New Zealland as Flagg alluted to could be a model for the United States. Now that border migration issues has alliviated, perhaps we can focus more on making comprehensive reforms happen

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    Quote Originally Posted by ragnarok View Post
    Not really. If anything, this is helping the real citizens wether born or naturalized to find enployment. Does it pay well, not so much. But for alot of americans, this is better than being jobless.
    That fallacy was proven when the states that passed the toughest immigration laws could not fill the menial positions that were then left. No, this does nothing for most citizens looking for employment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ordie View Post
    Thank Obama.

    But then again, you want him to fail.
    Yep. Obama and the Dems created the job-free 'recovery', so he definitely deserves a large share of the credit as to why even poor Mexicans are finding it not worth staying here. Thanks, Barry!

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    Yes, the country has been reduced to less than Tijuana. Kick ass!!!

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