Dom, when I was in college, a friend told me of his experience as a guest for the weekend at HOJJ (County Jail in LA). In the middle of the night his room mate, laid out paper on the floor and took a dump on it. He look at my friend and said, "You don't know what I am doing, do you?" Obviously my friend did not. The guy would swallow drugs in some kind of protective pouch, get busted for the weekend, and sell the drugs in those pouches to prisoners. Strange way to make a living, but people do it.
Human ingenuity is limitless.
One of the biggest scandals concerning prison security around here was when the leading circle of the 70s leftwing RAF terrorists shot themselvs with guns they smuggeled into their cells. All because they knew that the prison guards were only allowed to briefly check their files they were carring with them from and to court... And because they found a dumb lawyer who then cut little holes into the filefolder where within he placed the guns for them.
Well we are in two different countries with different law systems but if i look the french "code penal"
Non voluntary homicide is up to 5 years of jail or suspended sentence or a mix of both
Bankrupt is a misdemeanor, here, with up to 5 years of jail
And concerning the problem of raped kids, i whole heartely agree with you but we have also some (bad) examples here
The Outreau case is a criminal case of child ****** abuse, which result in a miscarriage of justice. It gave rise to a trial before the Assize Court of Saint-Omer (Pas-de-Calais) of 4 May 2004 to 2 July 2004, then an appeal hearing before the Court of Appeal in Paris in November 2005 .
It provoked strong emotions among the public and highlighted the shortcomings of the judiciary and certain social actors, particularly in the fight against pedophilia announced as a priority since 1996 at the highest level of government, and in cases of child ****** abuse.
The attitude of the media who still did not respect the presumption of innocence of the accused, was also questioned, their attraction to the "mercantile sensationalism" is now denounced.
The attitude of some of the political class was not free from reproach.
sorry wiki page in French : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affaire_d'Outreau
As i said, i too agree with you that these kind of cases are minority but they do exist in some proportion. Our (or for instance your) penal and judiciary systems are not perfect and mistakes or overractions can be seen, leading to sending some people in jail while they don't belong there.
That's all what i am saying
From a down to earth PoV. In Belgium it is just impossible to have a better life in Prison if:
1. You do not have a family.
2. You do not have friends.
3. You do not have a fvcking goal in life.
Our penitentiary park is let say it frankly ****. We are speaking about 19th century prisons siding with late 60s early 80s prisons and there is jacksquat to do. Nope I am not thinking about gyms and leisure. I am thinking occupation. I am thinking redemtion. I am thinking turning some crapsters around.
Now while I truly respect any vision towards the penitentiary world, let me tell you that Europe (at least Germany, France, Belgium and Italy) have a big ass issue regarding preventive imprisonment before trial. 60% of the Belgian inmates are awaiting trial. IE they are not judged YET. The ratio is 45/50 in Frenchistan and probably the same can be told about Germany. Italy has a special statute, They have an overpopulation of almost 50% of the existing park. To make things worse they have almost 25K foreigners held in for various misdeeds.
I am all for any of these countries inmates to bragg about their detention life. Really.
Sorry Hollis and Spartan didn't see your posts before answering the one of DominiqueI can't speak for your country, but not here. ^see Hollis's post.
I agree with you Hollis, i said it in my previous post. These mistakes in the system are very very few in number. But still they can happen (that's for the side of innocent going in jail)
As for commoners or average Joe ending in jail because of what i describe as an accident of life, they are few in number too but they become slightly more significant, especially in our societies which are "sue for everything and see what happens"
The guy accidentely hurting or killing a kid on a pedestrian crossing will more surely go in jail than 15 years ago (and here i am talking about a true accident like a kid running after a ball or crossing in front of a bus)
But of course they are still a minority in regard of true inmates, that i fully agree with you
Anyway i don't think (but that's only my opinion) that any of us is "jail proof" even if we behave like good citizens
I can give you the example of my father who was sentenced for 3 months of suspended sentence because one of his workers (he had a painting company) killed himselff by falling from an scaffolding. The guy was not wearing his safety harness, was told tenth of time that he had too but was a dense head. My father was lucky this time not to get one month of true jail because he was deemed as responsible by the judge. I hope you see what i want to mean with that ewample
@Dominique and Spartan
Ok guys, i ll lurk a bit more (and i took not offense here)
Have a nice day, i ll come back if i find something (yes i am a bit stubborn sometimes )