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    LOL anti-bullying

    Oh yes,try to get rid of something so hardwired into human nature.

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    I have yet to meet an actual ******* bully that is abusing other kids because Jesus told him to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by California Joe View Post
    I have yet to meet an actual ******* bully that is abusing other kids because Jesus told him to.

    I think your adjective sort of describes it all and why they do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollis View Post
    Seems like you are playing a game. Look at your first post, (gee I am so innocent, I don't have a bias here.) Then look at this post. I guess you don't see your bigotry. How are people today responsible and same for people 500 yrs, 1000, yrs, 1500 yrs ago. Do you realize there are not the same people. **********ity was way older than Christianity, are you going to say the **********'s today are the same as 5,000 yrs ago and are responsible for that ever any ********** done since then?
    IMO, it is likely that there is some degree of bigotry in hearts of most people, and I didn't claim to be any different. I believe it's best to not be in denial about that. But, I have never advocated that any groups to which I don't belong should not have equal rights. Christians I have met in person have argued that to me. That is a fact, and it didn't happen 5000 years ago. Others have related similar, personal experiences to me. I'm sorry if it makes you uncomfortable.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hollis View Post
    BTW, with your other quotes, I doubt if you really know much about those three religions, I doubt you have read their religious canons. Probably just picked up a piece here or there to suit your own bias.
    So we should both get doctorates in theology before we have any opinions about religion? All I said is that it wouldn't surprise me if Judiaism, Christianity and Islam have some shared doctrines because they have the same root, which is also a fact. Regardless, I never claimed expertise, and I shouldn't evem have to refute what you're saying.

    "Abrahamic religions or Abrahamitic religions are the monotheistic faiths emphasizing and tracing their common origin to Abraham[1] or recognizing a spiritual tradition identified with him.[

    The three major Abrahamic religions are, in chronological order of founding, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religions

    Quote Originally Posted by Hollis View Post
    I would suggest reading the forum rules.
    I appreciate that this forum is here. Hopefully it will continue to tolerate diverse opinions as long as those opinions are not expressed in a hateful or abusive way.

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    If your anti-religion and people who have a religion, I would say go to Arlington Cemetery and walk among the graves.

    People are individuals, It is fallacy in logic to paint the whole group for the action of one person.
    I'm not anti-religion. I really don't much care what people believe in regard to that. It only becomes a concern to me when the religious use their beliefs as a basis on which to disparage other groups or advocate their disenfranchisement. And yes, they often seem to have quotations from scripture handy when they do this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by California Joe View Post
    I have yet to meet an actual ******* bully that is abusing other kids because Jesus told him to.
    This.

    As anyone who has been to high school can observe, the kid with his nose in a bible (you know who I'm talking about) isn't the one bullying gay kids. He's the one who gets called "Jesus freak" by the same people who call the gay kids ******s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by That One Guy View Post
    I'm not anti-religion. I really don't much care what people believe in regard to that. It only becomes a concern to me when the religious use their beliefs as a basis on which to disparage other groups or advocate their disenfranchisement. And yes, they often seem to have quotations from scripture handy when they do this.
    No different than others, religion also falls under philosophy. It is in part where a person gets their world view from. Where else do you expect a person to use as a basis to disparage other groups, those groups do the same thing except for what they choose as a basis. The only commonality with a one Christian over another Christian from regardless of what time in history they are from, is that they call themselves Christians.

    As far as he Abrahamic stuff, there is more to it.

    Like bullies, the can choose what ever idea, philosophy, religion, etc to justify their bullying, people can manipulate, alter, what ever text to justify their own brand of bias/bigotry. You do know paraphrasing is a pretty popular pastime. If you want to know what the Christians on this forum think, ask them. People can only speak for themselves. As you found out, the Christians on this forum have a different view than the ones that you mentioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noons86. View Post
    This.

    As anyone who has been to high school can observe, the kid with his nose in a bible (you know who I'm talking about) isn't the one bullying gay kids. He's the one who gets called "Jesus freak" by the same people who call the gay kids ******s.
    That is probably 99.9% true. IMHO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noons86. View Post
    As anyone who has been to high school can observe, the kid with his nose in a bible (you know who I'm talking about) isn't the one bullying gay kids. He's the one who gets called "Jesus freak" by the same people who call the gay kids ******s.
    That is true.
    However, as I stated before, from personal experience I have seen dogmatic types view bullying from the sidelines and vocally justify it either in a religious or social Darwinistic manner. They may not be the ones personally bullying the kid, but they definitely make the atmosphere less helpful.
    Usually though, these guys aren't the aforementioned "Bible readers" (those ones are usually quiet and tend to be quite well-mannered). Instead they are loud outgoing-types that gravitate towards social circles (a good chunk of the time, nobody really likes them), and in the end, for all their holier-than-thou platitudes, they tend to be less-than-reverent in their actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollis View Post
    No different than others, religion also falls under philosophy. It is in part where a person gets their world view from. Where else do you expect a person to use as a basis to disparage other groups, those groups do the same thing except for what they choose as a basis. The only commonality with a one Christian over another Christian from regardless of what time in history they are from, is that they call themselves Christians.

    As far as he Abrahamic stuff, there is more to it.

    Like bullies, the can choose what ever idea, philosophy, religion, etc to justify their bullying, people can manipulate, alter, what ever text to justify their own brand of bias/bigotry. You do know paraphrasing is a pretty popular pastime. If you want to know what the Christians on this forum think, ask them. People can only speak for themselves. As you found out, the Christians on this forum have a different view than the ones that you mentioned.
    I agree that those seeking a higher justification for being douche bags can and will find it in more than one place. It's probably a human problem at its base.

    Also, it's true that its easy to find Christians who are, or were, extraordinarily laudable in a humanitarian sense. There are others who are simply very decent and tend to their own business.

    My earlier statement about "blowback" was an over-reaching generalization, which can sometimes be difficult to avoid when not resorting to full-blown e-prime.

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    So he resents some christians but takes it out on any he comes across?

    Sure sounds like a Bigoted *****, or do you believe he was in fear of those teens?

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    Quote Originally Posted by That One Guy View Post
    Ooo, on one specific occasion he called some people a name; that's pretty drastic stuff. I'm sure neither you or I have ever done that.
    Not in what is supposed to be a relatively professional setting against kids that are definitely not "his own size" (in terms of age and the like, not physical size).

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    Quote Originally Posted by LineDoggie View Post
    So he resents some christians but takes it out on any he comes across?

    Sure sounds like a Bigoted *****, or do you believe he was in fear of those teens?
    Not being in his head, I haven't a clue if he was in fear of those teens.

    So, how did you come to know that he takes out his resentment on every single Christian he comes across?

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    Not in what is supposed to be a relatively professional setting against kids that are definitely not "his own size" (in terms of age and the like, not physical size).
    Yeah, it was probably inappropriate to call those teens "pansies." And this is true regardless of how relentlessly so many teens disparagingly use the word "gay." I'm sure their delicate psyches won't require more than a dozen or so therapy sessions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by That One Guy View Post
    Yeah, it was probably inappropriate to call those teens "pansies." And this is true regardless of how relentlessly so many teens disparagingly use the word "gay." I'm sure their delicate psyches won't require more than a dozen or so therapy sessions.
    Doesn't matter if they had their psyches broken or not. Considering the context of the conference, his actions are extremely hypocritical. And considering the apparent content of his speech, there is no "probably" in the inappropriateness.

    If anything, it is very Old Testement-esque of eye-for-an-eye, except instead of the eye of the enemy, it is the eye of the neighborhood kid who looks kind of like the enemy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by That One Guy View Post
    Not being in his head, I haven't a clue if he was in fear of those teens.

    So, how did you come to know that he takes out his resentment on every single Christian he comes across?
    had they attacked or Bullied him before he launched into a tirade?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LineDoggie View Post
    had they attacked or Bullied him before he launched into a tirade?
    They denied him their attention, which I guess must be devastating for one with an ego such as his.

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