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    Defense lawmakers in the U.S. House of Representatives are demanding ‘rights to Israel’s Iron Dome Technology’ before releasing the requested $680 million to follow-on production of the Iron Dome anti-rocket weapon systems for Israel, Washington news blog The Hill reports. “The United States has invested nearly $900 million into Iron Dome work, yet it has no rights to the technology involved,” according to the subcommittee’s legislation.

    http://defense-update.com/20120426_i...echnology.html

    I can understand the Americans..if they pay more than Israel(and it's an Israeli system)than they should get stakes in the system.

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    If we're paying for it, damn right. I'm surprised we don't already have the info to be honest.

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    They have the right, and I hate the help. i always thought that way, I am not ungrateful, and also I agree is even more than necessary, but I really dont like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Climber View Post
    They have the right, and I hate the help. i always thought that way, I am not ungrateful, and also I agree is even more than necessary, but I really dont like it.
    No one can say that they are not right about that. The government is wrong that she goes to the Americans with an hat and you can't understand how a foreign country pays more on your own system...

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    1) what was the agreement to get the funding?

    2) if there is a problem with the agreement, who even signed off on it should be held accountable.

    3) is there a breech of the agreement?

    If there is no breech of the agreement, then there is no problem in Israel's fault. The it needs to go to: see no.2

    Even countries make contractual agreements, good idea not to enter into something that will come back and haunt you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jupiter2 View Post
    No one can say that they are not right about that. The government is wrong that she goes to the Americans with an hat and you can't understand how a foreign country pays more on your own system...
    Have you read the original agreement? Who ever is following the agreement is right. Who ever is violating the agreement. It is not what you or I want, this sound like a contract law issue.

    If there is no agreement, our money, our call. If Israel wants the money, they need to share technology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C.Puffs View Post
    If we're paying for it, damn right. I'm surprised we don't already have the info to be honest.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hollis View Post
    1) what was the agreement to get the funding?

    2) if there is a problem with the agreement, who even signed off on it should be held accountable.

    3) is there a breech of the agreement?

    If there is no breech of the agreement, then there is no problem in Israel's fault. The it needs to go to: see no.2

    Even countries make contractual agreements, good idea not to enter into something that will come back and haunt you.
    1) The Iron Dome was fully developed by Israel with Israeli funds. Last year, the US administration provided funds to help Israel produce more batteries. And this years, the US would provide more funds for that purpose.

    2) There was no problem in past agreement as Iron Dome's technology is fully Israeli and it was developed with Israeli funds.

    3) There's no breech of past contracts. These senators want the US to get a stake of the technology in exchange of the funds that would be provided for the production of the next batteries.

    It's clear that the technology of the Iron Dome is very innovative.
    The US did not fund the development of the system, but it is fair, in my opinion, for the US senate to ask for a stake of the technology if the US provides funds for the production of a given number of batteries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollis View Post
    Have you read the original agreement? Who ever is following the agreement is right. Who ever is violating the agreement. It is not what you or I want, this sound like a contract law issue.

    If there is no agreement, our money, our call. If Israel wants the money, they need to share technology.
    I don't have anything against the U.S. I have against our government that scrounge money from the U.S.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camera View Post
    It's clear that the technology of the Iron Dome is very innovative.
    The US did not fund the development of the system, but it is fair, in my opinion, for the US senate to ask for a stake of the technology if the US provides funds for the production of a given number of batteries.
    +1 to that.

    It is a fair demand, and should be considered gravely.

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    It's a fair demand.

    I was pretty certain that a tech transfer was Israel's part in this the moment I heard about the US funding for the batteries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jupiter2 View Post
    I don't have anything against the U.S. I have against our government that scrounge money from the U.S.
    A lot of business "scrounge" money. Investors come into mind, people needing to be willfully scrounged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jupiter2 View Post
    No one can say that they are not right about that. The government is wrong that she goes to the Americans with an hat and you can't understand how a foreign country pays more on your own system...
    I commend you on your developed sense of pride and self suffenciency.

    But I'll remind you that Israel is spending more on defense per capita than any other country as it is. You want Arrow 3 missile defense, Merkava 4 MBTs equipped with Trophy APS, Namer APCs, Tavors for all infantry and Iron Dome coverage for the whole country? Then I'm sorry to say that we will have to bite the bullet in order to have all of this. Unless of course you believe you can come up with a better fiscal plan and decide which of the projects I mentioned are redundant.

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    It's perfectly fair for US to demand rights to the technology.
    That's the price of US aid. They're 100% justified.

    But can't we find the fvcking money ourselves? It's essentially an initial one off cost. I hate this.

    Before we know it, this will turn into the Arrow all over again, where the US will veto every attempt to export it, we won't be able to make any money off it, and we'll be more reliant than ever for upgrades of missiles etc. It's an insane cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EITAN88 View Post
    I commend you on your developed sense of pride and self suffenciency.

    But I'll remind you that Israel is spending more on defense per capita than any other country as it is. You want Arrow 3 missile defense, Merkava 4 MBTs equipped with Trophy APS, Namer APCs, Tavors for all infantry and Iron Dome coverage for the whole country? Then I'm sorry to say that we will have to bite the bullet in order to have all of this. Unless of course you believe you can come up with a better fiscal plan and decide which of the projects I mentioned are redundant.
    The government can take money from other places or worse case-increase the taxes to pay for it. I'm pretty sure that the Israelis will understand that it's for a good purpose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jupiter2 View Post
    The government can take money from other places or worse case-increase the taxes to pay for it. I'm pretty sure that the Israelis will understand that it's for a good purpose.
    Were you here last summer?

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