Netanyahu: Israel soon to require national service for Israeli Arabs

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Seems fair.

In talking with former IDF members, military service is also a means of career networking and advancement.
I could see the economic impacts if barriers of national service and conscription were placed upon minorities.

Sure… Some of the young people who serve in the army acquire often knowledge and connections that could help them to find a job. On the other hand, those who do not serve in the IDF start their university studies 3 years earlier and can enter the job market either earlier or with graduation, while the others are still in the army.

If everybody provides a national service, it would profit to equality of the citizens, should benefit the cohesion of the society and to all the citizens' feeling to belong to it.

[Moledet1]

i dont wanna Arabs nor haredim to serve in the army.
the Arabs can spy and that's just not right to force someone to fight against his own people.
the Orthodox ... they just other people. they are not suitable for combat service.

There are laws in the army about loyalty/spying, if they don't follow these laws they will face trial and no one wants to face a military court over spying.
The "problem" with ultra orthodox is that they require special treatment: They usually have kids/wife (expensive for the army to pay for), can't come in contact with female soldiers, must eat Kosher Halak food, refuse to serve with non ultra orthodox.
So you need to build an all ultra orthodox unit that will be expensive to maintain and will give you exactly the same result as a regular unit.

It's better that for now they do a national service and only the ones that wish to serve will join the army.

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Sure… Some of the young people who serve in the army acquire often knowledge and connections that could help them to find a job. On the other hand, those who do not serve in the IDF start their university studies 3 years earlier and can enter the job market either earlier or with graduation, while the others are still in the army.

If everybody provides a national service, it would profit to equality of the citizens, should benefit the cohesion of the society and to all the citizens' feeling to belong to it.

that is true, alot of arabs go to university instead of the army and get fine degrees by the times an average jewish kid does his/her service

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Tal Law alternative: Barak says let IDF decide whom to draft


Defense Minister Ehud Barak to propose "service for all" bill • Proposal grants IDF draft deferral for 400 yeshiva students and minimum wage for soldiers • Netanyahu: I will submit a proposal for draft equality.

Shlomo Cesana, Gideon Allon and Lilach Shoval

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Barak's law, known as "service for all," gives the IDF the right to draft whomever it wants. Anyone who is not drafted, according to the proposal, will be obligated to serve in the national service program for one year.

http://www.israelhayom.com/site/news...le.php?id=4143

[Kaplanr]

Overall I think it's a positive step; in the long-term Israel will benefit from a more integrated populace. If in 20 more years they're still celebrating the Nakba in Um-El-Fahm, then there's a serious problem that's gone unanswered. The alternative is very draconian. Same with the haredim, it's time they realize they don't exist in a vacuum, and Mea-Shearim and Bnei-Brak aren't Galicia in 1895.

Hey, F-U, I was a brown-eyed Kibbutznik, but not sure what IQ I had/have. Must be lower than 130 since I signed up without knowing my full maslul. At some point in basic or maybe even advanced infantry someone official said something about jump school and I thought to myself - "what did I agree to do?"

Right ^
I say lets cut off the Mizrachim too, since they listen to sh!tty ass music. And the Russians? Those guys gotta go, with their...Russian stuff. We shall have an army off 130+ IQ blue eyed Kibutznikim. What makes a Harredi not suitable, exactly?

Let's be honest, they derive almost no benefit from the connections everyone else makes, and many are under-employed.

that is true, alot of arabs go to university instead of the army and get fine degrees by the times an average jewish kid does his/her service

[EITAN88]

Tal Law alternatives unexpectedly clear hurdles

http://m.jpost.com/HomePage/FrontPag...px?id=99268999

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Take over Sinai

Recuit more Bedouins

[Flamming_Python]

IMO this is a step in the right direction. If Israel wants to gain lasting peace and legitimacy it should increasingly embrace its Arab population and build a common society with them. A key step in this is making sure that they serve along with everyone else.

[GB_FXST]

IMO this is a step in the right direction. If Israel wants to gain lasting peace and legitimacy it should increasingly embrace its Arab population and build a common society with them. A key step in this is making sure that they serve along with everyone else.

Probably worth mentioning that IDF service is not the only option for national service:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherut_Leumi

Anyhow, IDF service or Sherut La'am for everyone is a positive development.

[EITAN88]

If new gov't passes Tal Law change, would be revolution

http://m.jpost.com/Headlines/Article.aspx?id=99269115

[EITAN88]

Prime Minister Netanyahu says government will formulate an alternative to the Tal Law by July • Tal Law did not increase ultra-Orthodox inclusion in army and national service, so current goal is to create other incentives, such as post-service benefits.



http://www.israelhayom.com/site/news...le.php?id=4304

[GB_FXST]

Interesting argument for no draft whatsoever.

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdCo...aspx?id=269952

[ZZEZ]

Interesting argument for no draft whatsoever.

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdCo...aspx?id=269952

At some point it will have to be done - at least to the jobniks because theres so many of them the army doesn't know what to do with them.

[GB_FXST]

At some point it will have to be done - at least to the jobniks because theres so many of them the army doesn't know what to do with them.

Probably lots of solid economic reasons, but still I am of two minds on the issue. IDF tradition and IDF as social melting pot are important considerations too.

[EITAN88]

Interesting argument for no draft whatsoever.

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdCo...aspx?id=269952

At the moment the IDF doesn't need every abled bodied 18 year old to serve in order to function yet still can't afford relinquishing mandatory enlistment. Perhaps when Israel's population crosses the 15 million mark but not today and not even in 5 years.

The status quo with the Ultra-Orthadox must be abolished as they must enter Israel's workforce, Israel can't afford not to do so. We shouldn't expect all of them to serve in the army and so must create a national service framework in which they can serve and thus contribute to the state as others do.