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    Quote Originally Posted by That One Guy View Post
    No, the dog was the the one $hitting, in terror, because billionaire Mitt was too cheap to make some other accommodation for the skittish animal. But, hey, at least he'd stop now an then to hose the runny fecal matter from the windows of his SUV.
    Atleast he didn't eat em right? Hey atleast the dog was in a crate and not going cross country in the back of a pick up truck. Could you imagine the rage then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by h2osun View Post
    Today, Time magazine got hold of a memo written by then-CIA head Leon Panetta after he received orders from Barack Obama’s team to greenlight the bin Laden mission. Here’s the text, which summarized the situation:

    Received phone call from Tom Donilon who stated that the President made a decision with regard to AC1 [Abbottabad Compound 1]. The decision is to proceed with the assault.

    The timing, operational decision making and control are in Admiral McRaven’s hands. The approval is provided on the risk profile presented to the President. Any additional risks are to be brought back to the President for his consideration. The direction is to go in and get bin Laden and if he is not there, to get out. Those instructions were conveyed to Admiral McRaven at approximately 10:45 am.

    This, of course, was the famed “gutsy call.” Here’s what Tom Hanks narrated in Obama’s campaign film, “The Road We’ve Traveled”:

    HANKS: Intelligence reports locating Osama Bin Laden were promising, but inconclusive, and there was internal debate as to what the President should do.

    VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN: We sat down in the Situation Room, the entire national security apparatus was in that room, and the President turns to every principal in the room, every secretary, “What do you recommend I do?” And they say, “Well, forty-nine percent chance he’s there, fifty-one … it’s a close call, Mr. President.” As he walked out the room, it dawned on me, he’s all alone. This is his decision. If he was wrong, his Presidency was done. Over.

    Only the memo doesn’t show a gutsy call. It doesn’t show a president willing to take the blame for a mission gone wrong. It shows a CYA maneuver by the White House.

    The memo puts all control in the hands of Admiral McRaven – the “timing, operational decision making and control” are all up to McRaven. So the notion that Obama and his team were walking through every stage of the operation is incorrect. The hero here was McRaven, not Obama. And had the mission gone wrong, McRaven surely would have been thrown under the bus.

    The memo is crystal clear on that point. It says that the decision has been made based solely on the “risk profile presented to the President.” If any other risks – no matter how minute – arose, they were “to be brought back to the President for his consideration.” This is ludicrous. It is wiggle room. It was Obama’s way of carving out space for himself in case the mission went bad. If it did, he’d say that there were additional risks of which he hadn’t been informed; he’d been kept in the dark by his military leaders.

    Finally, the memo is unclear on just what the mission is. Was it to capture Bin Laden or to kill him? The White House itself was unable to decide what the mission was in the hours after the Bin Laden kill, and actually switched its language. The memo shows why: McRaven was instructed to “get” Bin Laden, whatever that meant.

    President Obama made the right call to give the green light to the mission. But he did it in a way that he could shift the blame if things went wrong. Typical Obama. And typical of him to claim full credit for it, when he didn’t do anything but give a vague nod, while putting his top military officials at risk of taking the hit in case of a bad turn.

    By Ben Shapiro.

    I would suggest reading Manhunt by Peter L. Bergen and looking up Jose Rodriguez for some eye opening info on what it actually took to kill OBL.
    Well that's just racist.

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    Sorry Joe i read all threads and did not see it, my mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by willytee View Post
    Atleast he didn't eat em right? Hey atleast the dog was in a crate and not going cross country in the back of a pick up truck. Could you imagine the rage then?
    Didn't Obama say something just the other day about eating dogs? Why yes, yes he did:

    "Embracing the most recent canine distraction, Obama asked the audience "what's the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull?"

    "A pit bull is delicious," he quipped referring to recent reports that he ate dog as a child. Even first Lady Michelle Obama looked surprised her husband had gone that far.

    The audience erupted into laughter. Obama kept it up. "A little soy sauce," he said, giggling."

    OMG!!! The HORROR!!! THE FAUX RAGE!!!! Where is That One Guy now?

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    So he ate some dog when he was a kid. You don't see us complaining about you sucking dick do ya?

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    Quote Originally Posted by C.Puffs View Post
    Easy there drama queen. 1. Romney isn't a billionaire. 2. The dog wasn't "$hitting in terror". 3. Romney wasn't driving an SUV. 4. Lots of dogs like riding in the wind (and the carrier did have a wind brake). In short, just about every point in your hysterical claim is incorrect. But don't let that stop you.
    I guess you're right about his wealth. He's perhaps only worth as much as half a billion. He's not even quite sure, apparently. Offshore accounts can make it tougher to estimate. So, I guess it's reasonable that he didn't pay a bit extra, and instead kept his skittish dog strapped to the roof for a 12-hour road trip from Massachusetts to Canada. And, uh, sorry, but the $hitting thing is absolutely true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ggk View Post
    If the president have to take blame for other people fault underneath his leadership then he should take credit for other people success too.. he is afterall you Comander in Chief...

    ... on topic, can JSOC run special operation assault inside allied territory without the president approval?
    One of the primary "rules" in leadership is that credit is pushed off on your subordinates and the responsibility for muck ups rest with the commander (see Ike's resignation letters that were written for Salerno and Normandy in case the situation could not be turned around).

    Political campaigns have very little to do with leadership principles, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laconian View Post
    Political campaigns have very little to do with leadership principles, though.
    ^This, and you lot need to quit pretending that there's any real difference between any of them and their shallow motivations.

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    Haven't seen any threads about this years White House Correspondents’ Dinner yet, I liked the pitbull joke and Kimmel was not bad despite being Kimmel, even threw some hard balls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by california joe View Post
    so he ate some dog when he was a kid. You don't see us complaining about you sucking dick do ya?
    lol!! 123456

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    Quote Originally Posted by That One Guy View Post
    I guess you're right about his wealth. He's perhaps only worth as much as half a billion. He's not even quite sure, apparently. Offshore accounts can make it tougher to estimate. So, I guess it's reasonable that he didn't pay a bit extra, and instead kept his skittish dog strapped to the roof for a 12-hour road trip from Massachusetts to Canada. And, uh, sorry, but the $hitting thing is absolutely true.

    Ha ha! Your man is a piece of... work, but you refuse to face it! Relax though, I love it.
    Horses sht in their trailers, you going to complain about that too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by h2osun View Post
    Today, Time magazine got hold of a memo written by then-CIA head Leon Panetta after he received orders from Barack Obama’s team to greenlight the bin Laden mission. Here’s the text, which summarized the situation:

    Received phone call from Tom Donilon who stated that the President made a decision with regard to AC1 [Abbottabad Compound 1]. The decision is to proceed with the assault.

    The timing, operational decision making and control are in Admiral McRaven’s hands. The approval is provided on the risk profile presented to the President. Any additional risks are to be brought back to the President for his consideration. The direction is to go in and get bin Laden and if he is not there, to get out. Those instructions were conveyed to Admiral McRaven at approximately 10:45 am.

    This, of course, was the famed “gutsy call.” Here’s what Tom Hanks narrated in Obama’s campaign film, “The Road We’ve Traveled”:

    HANKS: Intelligence reports locating Osama Bin Laden were promising, but inconclusive, and there was internal debate as to what the President should do.

    VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN: We sat down in the Situation Room, the entire national security apparatus was in that room, and the President turns to every principal in the room, every secretary, “What do you recommend I do?” And they say, “Well, forty-nine percent chance he’s there, fifty-one … it’s a close call, Mr. President.” As he walked out the room, it dawned on me, he’s all alone. This is his decision. If he was wrong, his Presidency was done. Over.

    Only the memo doesn’t show a gutsy call. It doesn’t show a president willing to take the blame for a mission gone wrong. It shows a CYA maneuver by the White House.

    The memo puts all control in the hands of Admiral McRaven – the “timing, operational decision making and control” are all up to McRaven. So the notion that Obama and his team were walking through every stage of the operation is incorrect. The hero here was McRaven, not Obama. And had the mission gone wrong, McRaven surely would have been thrown under the bus.

    The memo is crystal clear on that point. It says that the decision has been made based solely on the “risk profile presented to the President.” If any other risks – no matter how minute – arose, they were “to be brought back to the President for his consideration.” This is ludicrous. It is wiggle room. It was Obama’s way of carving out space for himself in case the mission went bad. If it did, he’d say that there were additional risks of which he hadn’t been informed; he’d been kept in the dark by his military leaders.

    Finally, the memo is unclear on just what the mission is. Was it to capture Bin Laden or to kill him? The White House itself was unable to decide what the mission was in the hours after the Bin Laden kill, and actually switched its language. The memo shows why: McRaven was instructed to “get” Bin Laden, whatever that meant.

    President Obama made the right call to give the green light to the mission. But he did it in a way that he could shift the blame if things went wrong. Typical Obama. And typical of him to claim full credit for it, when he didn’t do anything but give a vague nod, while putting his top military officials at risk of taking the hit in case of a bad turn.

    By Ben Shapiro.

    I would suggest reading Manhunt by Peter L. Bergen and looking up Jose Rodriguez for some eye opening info on what it actually took to kill OBL.
    No one here wants to hear it bro, their fingers are in their ears going lalalala Obama pulled the trigger, bush claimed credit for everything himself....

    Facts mean nothing

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    ...Mr Zinke, who is now a Republican state senator in Montana...
    Nothing to see here folks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [RNZE]Sapper View Post
    Nothing to see here folks.
    Yea noticed that too, however Arianna Huffington bitched about it too.

    Atleast this beats discussing whether he's still Kenyan or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by h2osun View Post
    Horses sht in their trailers, you going to complain about that too.
    And zoo monkeys hurl their feces through the bars at hapless gawkers... (?)

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