Pays not to be a Ideologue.Originally Posted by JKD
Never said you had to bow, if you choose not to honor a person who is a U.S. SEAL, or a VET, thats your perogative. I found a seals opinion on the subject interesting. And most people would indeed feel that being a SEAL does garner more respect with regards to this subject as well as any other veteran.
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I would say, sort of a yeah or nay. That is basically saying a strawman argument is valid. Endorsements are used in advertising for the reason you pointed out, people would feel that the endorser by the virtue of class or position has some special insight. That is a lot of assumptions in reality, maybe/maybe not. I am a vet and I can not see where I would have special insight on this. Maybe a SEAL, like him does. I don't know. When it comes to politics, I tend to have a natural distrust. It is not that his opinion is honest for him, it still can come from a political motivation. Political motivation pretty much says, "It is not a lie, when I do it." BTW, I am not saying he is lying.
I would need to know the bases of the opinion, regardless of where it came from. From what I see of this incident and I tend to agree with Romney, it is not taking credit for giving the go on the mission to take out UBL, it is implying that Romney would not have. So it has two parts to this, taking credit where credit is do. No problem there. Using it as a political swipe against Romney is the problem. Unfortunately that is how politics is generally played. I don't agree with it.
No, it doesn't necessarily. Nor does he speak for the SEALs as a whole. Nobody does.
BTW, if SEALs don't want to be used for alterior purposes, maybe they shouldn't act in Hollywood blockbusters.
Again, I never said you had to bow, nor did he speak for all seals, just the fact that a seal gave his opinion. With regards to Hollis, your modesty with regards to opinion is exactly why I think yours and other vets can have more merit.
I spent all my time at Pendleton on the southern end... Mainside, Margarita, Edson...
It was the sunglasses that gave me away wasn't it?
Like most SEALs I'm sure he's a great source for training tips on triathlons (and male hair products). Of course when he says this...
"The American people are the ones who got Bin Laden..."
I can't help but think those stealth Black Hawks are a hell of a lot bigger than I imagined.
um..... "crickets"
When the discussion is done, it's done. You didn't make your point, so what's left?
PMI's got a point. You can't piss and moan about the Pres making political hay from a decision and act as if it's unseemly and then make a dopey statement about "the American people" getting him. That's retarded. F*cking guy thinks he's Toby Keith or some sh*t.
Most of the SEALs didn't even have anything to do with it, let alone 99% of the population that don't even know there's a war on....
Obama gave go ahead for a very risky mission, in a very dangerous place, which had huge potential to rapidly get out of control of the SEAL's and other assets in the area. The SEAL's didn't go in without orders, in which case they could say Obama had nothin to do with it. It can't be both ways.
For me the it's just all silly.
President Obama deserves credit for giving the operation the go ahead. On the other hand politicizing that to make him out to be some sort of steely eyed hero is ridiculous....and taking it farther to say that Mitt Romney wouldn't have done the same is disingenuous especially when a former President who repeatedly failed to make the same call is being used to put forth the claim.
Then you have a long winded rebuttal piece by an individual who is using his past association with the unit (I have no idea if Smith was ever attached to DevGru but you know what I mean) that conducted the mission to climb up on his own soapbox and start pushing his personal agenda.
The whole thing is the worst sort of partisan politics.
Look at you being all rational.
Yeah they just went and got agents on their own. Obama Admin through the DoD allowed them to particpate. I'll give any man whos actually Fought for the USA the benefit of the doubt until they show me a reason not to listen to them.
But thats just me
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