Reply With Quoteonce again. i didn't start it. you might want to read again what i wrote earlier...Originally Posted by RSone
If they were injured...the level of play would have been impaired from Game 1 (Portugal) to Game 2 (Netherlands).
When looking upon the games Germany won in South Africa, the same pattern was showing in passes, challenges won and Victories. The players we see show nothing of their "injuries". None. There is no problem of finishing matches, there is no cramps, no overall lack of tempo. If anything, they are playing HARDER than in 2010.
How can you judge if they are in "bad form" or not. Have you looked at their personal stats? In essence every game in the Euro outdoes the average of the 2010 in terms of distance by at least 10%.
IE they run 7 to 8 km at 60 minutes time, while they used to run only 6 to 7 last time around. There are over 60 passes more in the Dutch game over 2010. And yet the Dutch are loosing.
There are enough stats out there that show that if anything, FORM is not a factor yet (unless you are Greek or Italian).
once again. i didn't start it. you might want to read again what i wrote earlier...
Which animals do not score goals? Robben ("Seals" in German)
There are TWO balls in that pitch...where's the whistle?
God dammit, you are difficult.
They are not injured NOW obviously, some were injured in the past. Which means they could not play and therefore lack form, even if the injury is healed now. Schweinsteiger did not play a single game before the cup. Why should for a player like him that lacks games the level of play be impaired from the the first game to the second? Its rather the contrary, he might find form now.
Klose and Mertesacker are not even starting because of their past injuries and related lack of games and form. Why would you claim they are actually in good form? I dont get it.
This is absolutley trolltastic.
1. You claimed that they were injured and were not in form...
2. I am telling you, no matter who plays or not, injury or not, the result in the field is the same. Game wise and Score wise. So either the injuries don't play a role, either you talk crap.
3. When you have not played for at least 2 months, the issue is not form, it's tempo (pace). Schweinsteiger shows no sign of slowing down (decisive on all accounts yesterday). On Klose, given the level of Gomez I'd say form has little to do with him. Given the season he had with Lazio (again 15 goals is not shabby) I don't feel we are looking at a form problem, rather a tactical choice.
4. Mertesacker, not starting, is that even relevant to how the CURRENT German lineup is performing?
Your initial quote.
All in all the current German lineup has no such thing as a lack of form or tempo. Unless you want to play against Ghana, Australia and Serbia all time.
Yeah you are basically saying they won, so they are all in form. I was talking individual players. And these I mentioned simply have been playing less well recently in their league games, partly as a consequence of injuries. That opinion is pretty much commonplace, I dont even understand what is to discuss there.
Nope I told you, that comparatively with the WC 2010 they are playing harder and better, for an "injured", "out of form", "out of pace" group , this team is some kind of paradox. Especially in the defensive midfield. And it is fantastic to hear from you about Russia thumping only Chechia (sic) and Germans perceived by yourself to be in lesser form while they play obviously better opponents and overcome them with relative ease. Must be the water.
So how does it work now. Playing better despite being reeling from past injuries and general lack of games...
Opinions are such because they lack facts. I see facts, they tell something completely different. Again this Euro is setting the mark for physical toughness and endurance. I doesn't compute with your description.
I'm with KoTe on this one. I wouldn't single out Germany as having players that are off form or returning from injury. They are in about the same shape as many teams; few players returning from injuries and maybe a few that are not lighting up the score board... that's normal IMO.
According to the Dutch daily, "Volkskrant", the speculations about monkey chants during the Dutch team training were taken out of sphincter. That information has also been confirmed by Leugens.nl. According to these news agencies, that problem was fuelled by a Dutch daily "De Telegraf", that is strongly anti-Polish.
http://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomos...odglosach.htmlWedług holenderskiej gazety "Volkskrant" "opowieści o małpich odgłosach podczas treningu Holendrów w Krakowie są wyssane z palca". Potwierdza to także portal Leugens.nl. Te holenderskie media uważają, że aferę nakręciła źle nastawiona do Polaków gazeta "De Telegraf" - informuje RMF FM.
"Volkskrant" quotes the Dutch coach that told a BBC journalist multiple times there were not any monkey chants.
Could any of our Dutch members check what "Volkskrant" and Leugens.nl wrote about it?
The scariest thing is that Germany will probably enter their peak form in the knockout phase, they play great but certainly seem like they have plenty of gas left in the tank.
Right now Germany aren't reflecting their former attacking prowess. Podolski isn't doing anything. Ozil isn't doing anything. Lahm seems off his pace. Klose isn't even playing leaving Gomez to do the scoring courtesy of service provided by Schweinsteiger. And credit to Hummels for providing some defensive direction. Neuer also, for making the few saves required of him. Muller...he just fouls and dives, now. Khedira? Never really impressed me. And please get rid of Boateng.
The team looks like it's in hibernation yet managed to defeat both of their toughest opponents with relative easy (Holland). This is what I see of Germany. So, they will either move forward and intensify their game following the group stage, or...this is what the team has now become.
You are starting to get annoying with your BS in this thread, take the Poland strong!111!! BS somewhere else please.
x2..
An awesome tournament is going on and he's busy riling about you know what. Enjoy football for crying out loud!
Never change a winning team, but i would like to see André Schürrle, Mario Götze and/or Marco Reus. Müller and Podolski could sit out. Schürrle is so damn effective and Götze always helps. The better players actually sit on the bench IMHO.
A luxury problem so far...
Last edited by toki; 06-14-2012 at 09:35 AM.
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