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    There has been some rumors that the Obama administration has changed their mind and is considering giving Taiwan new F-16s. This would be a major boost to their military power. How will China respond? Can these new F-16s beat a J-20 in a dog fight?


    http://the-diplomat.com/flashpoints-...-and-the-f-16/

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    They want F-35..

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    Quote Originally Posted by travis911 View Post
    There has been some rumors that the Obama administration has changed their mind and is considering giving Taiwan new F-16s. This would be a major boost to their military power. How will China respond? Can these new F-16s beat a J-20 in a dog fight?


    http://the-diplomat.com/flashpoints-...-and-the-f-16/
    Yes. The deal is now expected to go through.
    http://focustaiwan.tw/ShowNews/WebNe...D=201301080039

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel FOG View Post
    Yes. The deal is now expected to go through.
    http://focustaiwan.tw/ShowNews/WebNe...D=201301080039
    Will they be Block 50/52 with AMRAAMs?

    And just because Sen. Inhofe says so does not necessarily mean Obama is onboard.

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    [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][*******#000000][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][*******#222222][FONT="Verdana"]Will they still be getting their old aircraft updated?[/FONT][/COLOR]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ought Six View Post
    Will they be Block 50/52 with AMRAAMs?

    And just because Sen. Inhofe says so does not necessarily mean Obama is onboard.
    Obama not necessarily on board: Agreed.
    A/c would be Block 52s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jdam1 View Post
    [*******#222222][FONT=Verdana]Will they still be getting their old aircraft updated?[/FONT][/COLOR]
    Yes. Upgrades are underway, but the program is on a 5 year long schedule at present.
    The C/Ds are intended to replace the aging F-5s in operation that eventually will be mothballed at JiaShan with the rest of their type.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ought Six View Post
    Will they be Block 50/52 with AMRAAMs?
    Interestingly enough the Taiwanese F-16 "A/B"s are closer in capability to the Block 50/52 and IIRC they obtained amraam over ten years ago and will be updating their existing F-16s radars along with USAF's program. With the politics involved - I wouldn't be too surprised if the new F-16s get a unique designation like F-16 A/B Block 20T - then if we looked deeper it is actually speced like LM's proposed Vs...

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    @ Col. FOG:

    Thanks, and welcome aboard!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Chalmers View Post
    I wouldn't be too surprised if the new F-16s get a unique designation like F-16 A/B Block 20T - then if we looked deeper it is actually speced like LM's proposed Vs...
    Agreed. Would likely carry a different designation. "F-16 A/B Block 22"?? (To return to the final "2" digit representing P&W engine.) However, I don't think the name is going to fool anyone into believing they aren't really C/Ds, since Lockheed doesn't produce A/B airframes anymore.

    Based on the history of the F-5 program, I think that Taiwan should be likewise offered a chance to produce their own F-16A/Bs...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Ernie View Post
    They want F-35..
    Definitely NOT. Just your wishful thinking.

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    Good to hear the program is going through

    But honestly, more needs to be done, and sooner.

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    Taiwan wavers on F-16 deal


    [*******#363636][FONT=Arial]Taiwan said Monday that it needs fighter jets which are more advanced than the upgraded F-16 announced by the United States, suggesting that it was dropping its bid for dozens of the aircraft.

    [/FONT][/COLOR][*******#363636][FONT=Arial]Taipei applied in 2007 to buy 66 F-16 C/D fighters, which have better radar and more powerful weapons systems than its current F-16 A/Bs, in response to China's perceived military threat.
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    [*******#363636][FONT=Arial]Washington in September 2011 said it had agreed to upgrade Taiwan's 146 ageing F-16 A/Bs in a $5.85 billion deal but it held off on the sale of new jets.
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    [*******#363636][FONT=Arial]Taiwan's Defence Minister Kao Hua-chu said for the first time Monday that Taipei will not necessarily take the deal even if Washington gives the nod.
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    [*******#363636][FONT=Arial]"Our demand has changed following the announcement of the upgrade project. The jet fighters we buy in the future have to outperform the F-16 upgrades if we (are) to convince the tax payers," he told parliament.

    more:
    http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/asia...s-on-f-16-deal[/FONT][/COLOR]

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    So, what are their plans? Eurofighter? Customized SU-30 or SU-35?? Gripen E/F??

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