Russia threatens Nato with military strikes over missile defence system.

[KoTeMoRe]

Again, "When the topic at hand was SCO why should I think he meant something else"?

Nope, the topic at hand is this jewel:

China and Russia are allies. Why would the US want to give Russia any sensitive information, knowing it would just end up in China's hands?

Followed by:

Please elaborate. Which agreement makes them allies, and to what extent are they allies? I am very curious

Your turn:

Yeah, I guess you haven't been paying attention.

Then:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shangha...n_Organisation

Nothing to see here I guess. Russia selling China a carrier, fighter planes, missiles, and damn near everything else, probably doesn't mean they're friends either.

Rubick than adds (just to fully discredit your rant):

Not a military alliance. Also i think you mean Ukraine.

So please, do tell me...where is this MILITARY ALLIANCE comparable to NATO.

You may try to nitpick and twist words.

Edit: who said:

Israel is part of NATO? That's news to me.

who even mentioned :

Israel

[C.Puffs]

Nope, the topic at hand is this jewel:



Followed by:



Your turn:



Then:



Rubick than adds (just to fully discredit your rant):



So please, do tell me...where is this MILITARY ALLIANCE comparable to NATO.

You may try to nitpick and twist words.

Edit: who said:



who even mentioned :

And for all your effort you still haven't explained how I should have known he was referring to the carrier specifically. Also where did I say Russia and China had a military agreement comperable to NATO? I said they were allies, nothing more. Jesus, I thought you were pretending to be smart. How 'bout instead you stop wasting everybody's time with your irrelevant babel?

[C.Puffs]

SCO is closer to Organization of American States or the Arab League than NATO.

They have a cooperation agreement to propagate mutual interests, but it doesn't have the kind of territorial defense or mutual command and control like NATO or the Warsaw Pact had.

It's more than that as they have joint military exercises (including the recent one). I don't recall the last time Syria and Saudi Arabia conducted joint military exercises.

[merk666]

It's more than that as they have joint military exercises (including the recent one). I don't recall the last time Syria and Saudi Arabia conducted joint military exercises.

yes. because Saudi Arabia is totalitarian state.

[artjomh]

It's more than that as they have joint military exercises (including the recent one). I don't recall the last time Syria and Saudi Arabia conducted joint military exercises.

Sea Breeze 2012 - US and Ukraine
Malabar 2012 - US and India
Invincible Spirit 2012 - US and South Korea
FRUKUS 2012 - France, Russia, UK and US

Exercises do not necessarily a NATO-style military alliance make.

[Arbody]

And for all your effort you still haven't explained how I should have known he was referring to the carrier specifically. Also where did I say Russia and China had a military agreement comperable to NATO? I said they were allies, nothing more. Jesus, I thought you were pretending to be smart. How 'bout instead you stop wasting everybody's time with your irrelevant babel?

You should follow your advice.

[C.Puffs]

Sea Breeze 2012 - US and Ukraine
Malabar 2012 - US and India
Invincible Spirit 2012 - US and South Korea
FRUKUS 2012 - France, Russia, UK and US

Exercises do not necessarily a NATO-style military alliance make.

Nor do they preclude one.

[JCR]

irrelevant babel?

Babel wasn't irrelevant

[C.Puffs]

You should follow your advice.

This whole tangent started because I pointed out why the US wouldn't want to share sensitive information with Russia. It's not my fault certain members want to focus on trivial minutia.

[KoTeMoRe]

And for all your effort you still haven't explained how I should have known he was referring to the carrier specifically. Also where did I say Russia and China had a military agreement comperable to NATO? I said they were allies, nothing more. Jesus, I thought you were pretending to be smart. How 'bout instead you stop wasting everybody's time with your irrelevant babel?

Maybe because YOU brought up the carrier issue? You said they were allies. You brought up the SCO. You brought up military contracts, military cooperation and $hit. I do trust you to miss your target when you fling poo, by a mile at least.

Now what does that mean? I might be pretending to be smart, but you sure do not fake being thick.

Furthermore, I am still here, provide me a treaty stipulating an alliance between China and Russia so that it alters the Russian Defense Paradigm. Looking at the Eastern Military District, sure does look like an alliance.

[C.Puffs]

Babel wasn't irrelevant

OMG we've got a spelling Nazi in here too? All we need is someone to mention "plasma stealth" and this thread will be complete.

[artjomh]

Nor do they preclude one.

Let's just cut to the chase and say that Russian marines aren't going to be storming Taiwan or the Senkakus any time soon or, in fact, ever. So if that is the portion of the "military alliance" you are worried about, you can rest easy.

It's actually kinda the opposite. With Russia basically arming the Vietnamese Navy with submarines and frigates, the chance of Russia fighting anyone on behalf of China is close to impossible.

[JCR]

OMG we've got a spelling Nazi in here too? All we need is someone to mention "plasma stealth" and this thread will be complete.

Plasma stealth

[C.Puffs]

Maybe because YOU brought up the carrier issue? You said they were allies. You brought up the SCO. You brought up military contracts, military cooperation and $hit. I do trust you to miss your target when you fling poo, by a mile at least.

Now what does that mean? I might be pretending to be smart, but you sure do not fake being thick.

Furthermore, I am still here, provide me a treaty stipulating an alliance between China and Russia so that it alters the Russian Defense Paradigm. Looking at the Eastern Military District, sure does look like an alliance.

Again with the diversion. Explain how I was suppose to know he was talking about the carrier specifically given that it was but one item in a list. I'll bet it's not even in your character to admit, "uh I fvcked up". Instead, you'll bob and weave and divert and obfuscate hoping people will just get tired of you so you can, "win". Hilarious.

[C.Puffs]

Let's just cut to the chase and say that Russian marines aren't going to be storming Taiwan or the Senkakus any time soon or, in fact, ever. So if that is the portion of the "military alliance" you are worried about, you can rest easy.

that's not it at all. Going back to the original point, they have a relationship there, which makes it likely that any sensitive missile defense information we give Russia has a pretty good chance of ending up in China.