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    Default Israeli know-how boosts Russia's armed UAS project

    Technology transferred from Israel is helping Russia to design its first strike unmanned air system, with the design expected to be flown for the first time in 2014 carrying sensors and armament.


    http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...roject-371327/

    I'm not sure if it was a good thing to do...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MUSHROOM123 View Post
    Technology transferred from Israel is helping Russia to design its first strike unmanned air system, with the design expected to be flown for the first time in 2014 carrying sensors and armament.


    http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...roject-371327/

    I'm not sure if it was a good thing to do...
    Good thing for the world, what you think is irrelevant.... Israel, Russia and the US are ones to decide upon the merits of this decision I suspect and so far 2/3 seem to be okay with it

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    Within its agreements with the US, Israel could not make such transfer of technology without US approval.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camera View Post
    Within its agreements with the US, Israel could not make such transfer of technology without US approval.
    Probably there is no U.S technology in it...

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    A lot of the people who helped bring Israel's UAV industry to where it is today were either born in the former USSR or their parents were born there... quite ironic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MUSHROOM123 View Post
    Probably there is no U.S technology in it...
    It doesn't mutter.
    Under the US-Israeli bilateral agreement, Israel submits to US approval defense exports to countries that are US rivals like China and Russia in order to avoid disputes like the Phalcon deal.

    Quote Originally Posted by EITAN88 View Post
    A lot of the people who helped bring Israel's UAV industry to where it is today were either born in the former USSR or their parents were born there... quite ironic.
    They could have contributed with their skills, but the basic technology was Israeli not USSRS'.

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    They could have contributed with their skills, but the basic technology was Israeli not USSRS'.
    Wasn't implying that it was...

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    i doubt that uav has some super-advanced tech, except of standard enginering, and common electronics. at least not more, than in space tech.
    simply for russia it is not so critical area, as for israel for example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by merk666 View Post
    i doubt that uav has some super-advanced tech, except of standard enginering, and common electronics. at least not more, than in space tech.
    simply for russia it is not so critical area, as for israel for example.
    It's not a matter of system complexity or more or less advanced engineering. It simply boils down to expertise and experiance which Israel has a lot of in this field (more than most countries anyway). This is probably due to the fact that Israel has been developing these systems since the 1970s while other countries (including the U.S) didn't realise their full potential.

    I think that today UAV technology is crucial for any military that wishes to stay up to date and that Russia realised this during the war with Georgia in 2008.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camera View Post


    It doesn't mutter.
    Under the US-Israeli bilateral agreement, Israel submits to US approval defense exports to countries that are US rivals like China and Russia in order to avoid disputes like the Phalcon deal.



    They could have contributed with their skills, but the basic technology was Israeli not USSRS'.
    25% of Israel, as the song goes, were "Born in USSR". They were largely secular, educated and thus constituted a major driving force for Israeli tech boom (certainly weren't Arabs, druze, or religiously crazy kibbutz dwellers that drove the tech).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sashko View Post
    25% of Israel, as the song goes, were "Born in USSR". They were largely secular, educated and thus constituted a major driving force for Israeli tech boom (certainly weren't Arabs, druze, or religiously crazy kibbutz dwellers that drove the tech).
    Perhaps if you counted Socialism as a religion

    Kibbutznikim (majority of which originate in Eastern Europe) contributed a lot in the technological fields but we are getting off topic as it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EITAN88 View Post
    It's not a matter of system complexity or more or less advanced engineering. It simply boils down to expertise and experiance which Israel has a lot of in this field (more than most countries anyway). This is probably due to the fact that Israel has been developing these systems since the 1970s while other countries (including the U.S) didn't realise their full potential.

    I think that today UAV technology is crucial for any military that wishes to stay up to date and that Russia realised this during the war with Georgia in 2008.
    israel used it against partisans, without proper aerial defense and proper radio equipment. what can interceptor do with uav, was demonstrated by russians in abkhazia. so imho uav is good to fight minor nations or partisan armies. i doubt in georgian conflict uavs could help a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by merk666 View Post
    israel used it against partisans, without proper aerial defense and proper radio equipment. what can interceptor do with uav, was demonstrated by russians in abkhazia. so imho uav is good to fight minor nations or partisan armies. i doubt in georgian conflict uavs could help a lot.
    Another technological innovation that contributed to the Israeli victory was the remotely piloted vehicle (RPV). The IAF used this drone aircraft in the months preceding the invasion to "fingerprint" surface-to-air radar, providing information vital to Israeli countermeasures.43 When the battle actually began, RPVs were used as "decoys" to simulate electronically the radar signature of full-size strike aircraft and trick the Syrians into activating their SAM target acquisition and tracking radars.44 This ruse provided ample targets for the AGM-78 Standard antiradiation missile (ARM) and AGM-45 Shrike air-launched ARMs that followed.45 Other RPVs served as cheap and survivable intelligence platforms because they were constructed out of aluminum and composite materials for a minimal radar and infrared signature.46 once launched, they were employed most often as photographic platforms or "real-time" video intelligence systems whose fields of view, zoom ratios, and flight plans could be preprogrammed or changed at the discretion of the commander.47 Once the tactical reconnaissance and deception functions were completed and strike aircraft were directed to the SAM sites, air-launched laser-guided ordnance was guided to the target by laser designators mounted on the RPVs.48


    http://www.airpower.au.af.mil/airchr...89/hurley.html

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    How relevant is this source?
    Coz in Russia texts with "sources say" as basis are usually utter BS.
    Anyway it would be interesting to read a bit more specifically info about this possible technologies.

    Quote Originally Posted by EITAN88 View Post
    A lot of the people who helped bring Israel's UAV industry to where it is today were either born in the former USSR or their parents were born there... quite ironic.
    What exactly the irony?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Az_esm View Post


    What exactly the irony?
    That Russia is seeking help with an industry that Russian Jews helped build in Israel.

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