By cursing the Russians he will make this thread closed...and yes-although people don't talk about the issue of the thread(UAVS that were sold to Russia),it still an interesting thread.Originally Posted by Climber
The Russian people might not care but the authorities were tough with the Jews of the SU during some periods. As they did not want their policy to be called anti semitic, they pretended to be anti Cosmopolit, anti Zionist...
Last edited by Camera; 05-05-2012 at 05:12 PM. Reason: inglish
Education, professional experience, skills. There were a great many Jewish scientists, engineers and other professionals who grew up and made their careers completely in the USSR.
They sure as hell weren't illiterate when they came over to Israel.
That's probably because you are one of those traitors yourself.
I don't regard people who went over there just to live a better life or whatever as traitors mind you; just the ones that shared industrial and military secrets, or swore allegiance to this foreign country and started to try and harm or badmouth their former country and people.
That was the Russian empire some several hundred years ago, and it indeed treated the Jews increasingly badly.
I'm speaking of the USSR. Under Soviet rule, Jews moved to every town and city in every republic; they weren't restricted to any 'pale of settlement'. And Jews didn't always live easy in the USSR, but then so didn't a lot of people.
In the early Soviet period a great proportion of Bolsheviks were in fact Jewish.
It's only correct to call the USSR anti-zionist in the 2nd half of its existence, and that was more due to superpower rivalry with the US than anything else.
BS Jews were part of communist represion system lot of them at high post in party or NKVD what was unthinkable during the Tsars. For example in 1924 75% of NKVD in Kiev were Jews, about 50% in Smloensk and 20% in Moscow. With only (4.13% of total Russian population)
I myself am half-Jewish and my father is Jewish. We are both Russian patriots - not traitors.
I been to Israel many times and I like the country and people; I think our countries should be friends.During Cold War, most Israelis of my generation considered the USSR as an enemy state. But as long as I can judge, after the collapse of the USSR, they did not keep any bad feelings toward Russia and the Russians people.
Same thing for the French people.
I just don't like the ones who profited completely at the expense of the Russian people, got everything from there; education, the works, etc... and are now 'proud Israelis' who have a chip on their shoulder against Russia, freely shared secrets that they were entrusted with or are otherwise making weapons, etc... that could make their way indirectly to some place where it kills Russian soldiers. This is the worst sort of scum.
I don't have the sources to check your numbers, but I admit Russian Jews were over represented among the revolutionaries and in the Bolsheviks leadership prior to WW2.
Their problems in the SU started after WW2.
That was short period from 1948 to Stalins death .
Indeed anti-Semitic attitudes could be found amongst some people and Jews often had a harder time getting into higher-education institutes, sensitive & military positions, etc.. (partially because there was a quota system for different ethnic groups and Jews tended to excel out of proportion to their actual numbers).
But to spit on the language you grew up with, the people you went to school with, the land you were raised in, the army or whatever you served in; and just to go off to some foreign country, turn your back on your old country, disrespect it, sell its secrets, present it as a land full of barbarians, etc... I'm sorry but only dishonourable scum is capable of that.
I visited my relatives in Ashkelon recently and they worked almost their whole life in the SU as scientist and no one ever cared about their "heritage" if I can really call this heritage...
Btw. a lot of Israelis call jews from Russia actually Russians...
Some of the top scientist in the SU were jewish.Jews often had a harder time getting into higher-education institutes
Every "jew" (strange to call people "jews") I know is at least an engineer/teacher/scientist or professor...
Last edited by Grax; 05-05-2012 at 05:42 PM.
Shouldnt you hate Georgia instead of Russia then? After all nr.1 antisemit of SU was a Georgian, not a Russian.
I knew many Russian Jews who immigrated to Israel in the 1970s. Some of them married later with cousins of mine so they became family members. Usually these people had many difficulties to leave the SU in the 1970s, so they were much more anti Communist and anti SU than the ones that immigrated in the 1990s. But they were not anti Russian.
So, you do hate a lot people, I was always curious about the running of all those scientists from the SU after 1991, a good number of them (at least the jews) went to Israel, but its not a secret that all most every country benefited from that immigration, specially places that offered them good salaries, in Brazil for example theresīs a lot of criticism about our intelligence service that was not capable of bringing a single soviet scientist here.
True. But later there was a new wave of it from the 1967 War to the early 1980s.
Again , why you think that Jews should be treated better than rest? In 70' almost no one can leave Soviet Union , what's the problem?
That's actually more about Eastern Block than Soviet Union. For example Jews in Poland openly enjoyed of Israels victory over Arabs . What it is if it's not a some kind of treason?
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